Crisis leads debate issuesMcCain and Obama clash on causes, remedies By CHARLES BABINGTON
Associated Press
Wednesday, October 8, 2008
NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Barack Obama and John McCain clashed repeatedly over the causes and cures for the worst economic crisis in 80 years Tuesday night in a debate in which McCain called for a sweeping $300 billion program to shield homeowners from mortgage foreclosure. Video footage from the second debateMcCain, Obama differ dramatically on health care - AP Video"It's my proposal. It's not Senator Obama's proposal, it's not President Bush's proposal," McCain said at the outset of a debate he hoped could revive his fortunes in a presidential race trending toward his rival. In one pointed confrontation on foreign policy, Obama bluntly challenged McCain's steadiness. "This is a guy who sang bomb, bomb, bomb Iran, who called for the annihilation of North Korea — that I don't think is an example of speaking softly." That came after McCain accused Obama of foolishly threatening to invade Pakistan and said, "I'm not going to telegraph my punches, which is what Senator Obama did." The debate was the second of three between the two major party rivals, and the only one to feature a format in which voters seated a few feet away posed questions to the candidates. 
Mark Humphrey/AP Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama (left) and Republican candidate Sen. John McCain wave at the start of a debate at Belmont University in Nashville, Tenn., on Tuesday. They were polite, but the strain of the campaign showed. At one point, McCain referred to Obama as "that one," rather than speaking his name. "It's good to be with you at a town hall meeting," McCain also jabbed at his rival, who has spurned the Republican's calls for numerous such joint appearances across the fall campaign. They debated on a stage at Belmont University four weeks before Election Day in a race that has lately favored Obama, both in national polls and in surveys in pivotal battleground states. Not surprisingly, many of the questions dealt with an economy in trouble. Obama said the current crisis was the "final verdict on the failed economic policies of the last eight years" that President Bush pursued and were "supported by Senator McCain." He contended that Bush, McCain and others had favored deregulation of the financial industry, predicting that would "let markets run wild and prosperity would rain down on all of us. It didn't happen." McCain's pledge to have the government help individual homeowners avoid foreclosure went considerably beyond the $700 billion bailout that recently cleared Congress. "I would order the secretary of the Treasury to immediately buy up the bad home loan mortgages in America and renegotiate at the new value of those homes at the diminished value of those homes and let people be able to make those payments and stay in their homes," he said. "Is it expensive? Yes. But we all know, my friends, until we stabilize home values in America, we're never going to start turning around and creating jobs and fixing our economy, and we've got to get some trust and confidence back to America." The two men also competed to demonstrate their qualifications as reformers at a time voters are clamoring for change. The debate also veered into foreign policy, and the disputes were as intense as on the economy and domestic matters. Election coverageComplete coverage of the elections from The Post and Courier McCain said his rival "was wrong about Iraq and the surge. He was wrong about Russia when they committed aggression against Georgia. And in his short career he does not understand our national security challenges. We don't have time for on the job training." Obama countered with a trace of sarcasm that he didn't understand some things — like how the United States could face the challenge it does in Afghanistan after spending years and hundreds of billions of dollars in Iraq. The audience was selected by Gallup, the polling organization, and was split three ways among voters leaning toward McCain, those leaning toward Obama and those undecided. Tom Brokaw of NBC, the moderator, screened their questions and also chose others that had been submitted online. DEBATE NO. 3 WHEN: 9 p.m., Oct. 15 WHERE: Hofstra University, Hempstead, N.Y. WATCH IT: Major TV networks will televise the debate, which lasts 90 minutes. S.C. Senate debate Lowcountry voters wishing to hear from U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, the Republican incumbent, and Democratic challenger Bob Conley debate may tune into SCETV at 8 p.m. Saturday. For those who can't tune in at those times, the debates will be streamed online on ETV's Web site, myetv.org. The ETV network also has sponsored or is sponsoring debates in all six South Carolina congressional races. Those debates also are posted on its Web site after they take place. |
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Posted by moonpie on October 8, 2008 at 6:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I thought McCain did well. But until he highlights the OBAMA relationships with the terroist Ayers and the ever so racist Rev Wright he's probably still trailing. I don't think we heard anything new. He has to take the gloves off and ask do you the American people actually believe OBAMA when he says he sat in a church for 20 years and NEVER HEARD any comments like we heard?! There are those that would vote for him no matter what he did or said, but some on the fence really need to ask themselves does OBAMA really have the judgement to be president? We know he can lie so that makes him a great politician but what qualify him to be president.
Posted by moonpie on October 8, 2008 at 6:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wonder why McCain doesn't highlight the excerpts from Obama's book? Or when he said our troops were "killing children and raiding villages"? He had a perfect opportunity to do so.
So where are the liberal cool aide drinkers this am? Can you defend these excerpts from his own words, book??
Obama looked very uncomfortable when McCain pointed out that Obama received the 2nd most amount of money from Fannie mae and mack lobbyist.
Posted by Riptide on October 8, 2008 at 7:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Well at least Barack Obama has something in common with Osama bin Laden, they both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.
Posted by eatmorecollards on October 8, 2008 at 7:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If you listen to a bull shat artist long enough, he will eventually give himself away. Obama's reference to easy money tells where he is comming from. The same easy money that has got the country in the mess its in today.
Posted by ln1959 on October 8, 2008 at 7:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ha Ha Ha...McCain has to clean his own house before he can attack someone else.
The thing thats getting me this morning is how some of you complain so much about the irresponsible people who got these home loans and can't pay it. Saying they should not be bailed out, but after last night, your not freaking mad that your candidate wont to buy up all the bad loans.
But I guess since McCain says it, then it must be a good thing.
Posted by elcid81 on October 8, 2008 at 7:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It is a sad day in America, if we allow Obama to lead this great nation. I am disappointed that people cling to a person just because of his or her race. Obama is using the political system not for helping his country, but for his own personal gain. McCain has served his country well and has proved that he is a leader. He has no need to run, but he does so based on his desire to serve his country again. Obama has no desire to serve his country, he is just looking for his own bailout program. His "plans" may brief well, but the execution stinks! NOBAMA
Posted by YankeeLady on October 8, 2008 at 7:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It was difficult enough to fathom how a vacant idiot like Bush was "elected" in the first place. What would be even more inane would be another 4 years of the same destructive policies.
Posted by prosperous_hb on October 8, 2008 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
First, I'm going to say that the debate last night was nothing new, it was the same old crap.
Second, a lot of you are talking about stuff he wrote in his books and the people he hung out with. What does that have to do with him being the president? What does that have to with him and his foreign policy or him and his proposed tax cuts for the middle class? People, rids your minds of all the crap and look at them based on the positions they stand on for America.
FYI...if you look at the numbers, Obama has more white supporters than you think, so let's not even make this a racial thing.
Posted by BillytheKid on October 8, 2008 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I can't understand some of you folk. The economy is in the crapper because of what both the so called “war” in Iraq(why the hekk did we go in there?) and no regulation of wall street.
You don’t like what you are going to get for president because of the color of his skin.
You talk of the “liberal cool aide drinkers”. I was a card carrying republican for more years than I care to admit and I can see what the Bush white house has done on many levels.
The republican camp now is all about lower taxes, and tax breaks for the super rich, but not for you or me. I for one am tired of it.
We created a mass of people, in the last 40years, that are pissed off at the USA. It is time to fix that problem and a republican can’t handle that task.
Posted by grainofsalt on October 8, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Prosperous... things that Obama wrote in his own autobiography shouldn't play into our judgement of him potentially being the leader of our country?
You're right, that's the past. That's history.
So I should judge him on what? Things he said last night? Dang, that's history now too. Hmmm... If I can't judge him on things he's said or written in the past, I guess I'll just vote based on what someone like you tells me. :-)
Come on, Prosperous. Take off the blinders, put the Kool-Aid down and at least make a decision based on honest inspection of the candidates. Look, I'm not going to try to convince you to vote for McCain. But if you realliy, honestly believe what you wrote in your second paragraph, then I urge you not to vote at all... in any election... ever.
Posted by Pillsbury on October 8, 2008 at 8:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Why do you people hate liberals so much when very few of the policies that have destroyed this country over the last eight years can be characterized as liberal? It's analagous to my house burning down because of an iron being left on, but me criticizing the faulty wiring . . .
Posted by ReasonSpeaks on October 8, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
One small point: McCain said that we have to double the number of troops in Afganistan. I agree with him, but he's also not going to leave Iraq anytime soon. Can anyone tell me where he's going to get enough troops to double the number in Afganistan and continue as is in Iraq?
Posted by ReasonSpeaks on October 8, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
As a registered Republican, McCain has become an embarrassment to the party. He used to be a free thinker. He used to adhere to traditional conservative political values, namely that the government should stay out of our lives and not dictate morality (i.e. abortion, gay rights). But the GOP election machine got a hold of him.
This "bailout" was the final straw. He listened to politicians instead of the real experts - economists - and pushed for this fiscal abomination at the expense of billions of dollars of taxpayers' money. The one thing the Republicans had going for them was fiscal conservativism.
With that gone, and Palin on the brink of the presidency, Obama's got my vote. At least he and his running mate have proven that they are intelligent, thoughtful, and well-spoken leaders.
Posted by prosperous_hb on October 8, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
grainofsalt....my blinders are off. If McCain is so the guy to get the vote, why hasn't he proved it yet? Why isn't he leading in the polls? Better yet, why can't he just talk about what he can "CHANGE" in America rather than talk about who Barack hung out with?
My honest inspection is that I don't like what I see in McCain or Obama. I think he is worse than Bush. Obama may not have the experience, but I think that he will put together a team of what he needs to get the job done.
I have kids and don't want to have to worry about how much my health insurance is going up vs my pay staying the same. I don't want to worry about me paying out the butt for taxes while the rich run wild and don't pay any.
Posted by Gems0413 on October 8, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Bush beat out McCain twice, and look what he did to the country. Why would you expect Bush’s sloppy seconds to do better? Palin is a bad choice, let’s just vote already, so McCain can go die peacefully in one of his 8 houses, and Palin can go back to her Iceberg.
Posted by zekemire on October 8, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The dems have caused all the credit crisis with their mandated loans to the poor and monorities and to neighborhoods where even living is a risk! They and their willing cronnies in the media continue to try and blame republicans for their actions in th 70's, 80's and 90's that caused all this fiasco! NO INTELLIGENT PERSON CAN SWALLOW THIS CRUD OF SOCIALISM, POPULISM, LIBERALISM THAT IS THE DEMOGOG PARTY! The party of soros, Ayers, Wright, Gore, Clinton, Carter, Reid, Pilosi and Obama should be bannished from the USA in order to save the USA!
Posted by a_set_love on October 8, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The BANNED SNL skit on youtube...........Don't forget the http://
patdollard.com/2008/10/it-is-here-the-banned-snl-skit-cannot-hide-from-louie/
Posted by Gems0413 on October 8, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
OK zekemire, either commit yourself or lay off the coffee. You are talking crazy!!!
Posted by a_set_love on October 8, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
sorry...........
www.patdollard.com/2008/10/it-is-here-th...
Posted by joshmerd on October 8, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Reason: "At least he and his running mate have proven that they are intelligent, thoughtful, and well-spoken leaders."
Are you serious? How about Biden being a habitual liar, even when talking about Obama himself: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,4333...
The ONLY thing Obama is "good" at is being a good speaker. Last time I checked, public speaking skills aren't high on the Presidential prerequisites.
Posted by hipchick on October 8, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ken Blackwell of the New York Sun recently wrote a piece on Obama's character and political views. In that piece, he referred to the Book of Revelations which describes in great detail the Anti-Christ..."he will be a man, in his 40s of Muslim descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a massive Christ-like appeal...the people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace and when he comes to power, he will destroy everything." It is a frightening possibility to those who believe.
Posted by doiseeu2 on October 8, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
FYI- McCain's mortgage renewal idea originated with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Posted by a_set_love on October 8, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
For the past 7 years, the Federal Income Tax for all Americans who make "LESS" than $100,000 a year has gone down.
If you don"t belive this, check the tax tables on the IRS web site.
Those who want to belive that finally, someone, "Obama", cares enough to relieve some of your tax burden are being seriously lied to.
Posted by rubin882 on October 8, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
As a retired military combat soldier of Desert Storm and one that has service over twenty-three years of honorable service that has voted for President Regan, President Bush Sir and President Clinton, who all did a great job while in office. However, when it comes to this election I feel that Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin have continued to resort in negative comments about Senator Obama that are just not true. As a soldier I believe my leaders should be held to the highest standards and should display Loyalty, Respect, and Integrity for all no matter what the cost. I feel that Senator John McCain has lost all respect by allow Governor Sarah Palin to make statement about Senator Obama’s, loyalty to this great nation when she has issues of Loyalty and Respect herself with the people of Alaska. A soldier does not act like this especially one that was on the receiving end of torture as a POW like Senator McCain because he knew how it felt to be disrespected when you have not done anything wrong to desire it. Therefore, I feel that Senator John McCain should have stayed with the issues and ran a respectful campaign without resulting to a shameless display of disrespectful tactics. I will be voting for Senator Obama because I think he would be a good leader for this great nation and one that bring us together. We are all God’s children!!
Posted by Teach7775 on October 8, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Looks like all you Republicans are in for a BIG let down....
Say what you will about the candidates....Obama will be the next president....
How is McCain going to pay for all these "bad mortgages"???
I thought Obama was the clear winner last night, and his numbers are STILL on the rise....
We just can't have another 4 years of "more of the same"!!!
Posted by Gems0413 on October 8, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I figured out this Republican mess. I know why people can’t see them for what they really are. They didn't see Bush and they can't see McCain. Everyone that I know that is a Republican, thinks that they will somehow make it big with the help of the Republicans in office. Don't get me wrong, they come to work every day just like me and you, but they think if they tell people their political party that will open doors for them. They are wrong and so blind, the Republican party in Congress and the White house only cares about padding their own pockets. Colin Power said their obsession with getting rich sicken him. Keep waiting you clowns. McCain will have 20 houses when he is 80 and Palin will own Alaska if you vote them in. And you guys will be eating your same old tired grits in a falling down house wondering what went wrong.
Posted by ReasonSpeaks on October 8, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Joshmerd:
If you are going to judge the candidates by who has changed positions more frequently (or as you say, who is a "habitual liar"), then give up now. All four of them are politicians at heart and, therefore, change their positions to maximize their election potential. There is no doubt that Biden has "lied" about previous votes and actions to boost his campaign. But if you try to count and comapare the number of time each candidate has done so, you will be here well past November 4th. Remember that Biden was running against Obama in the primaries so, of course he has said negative things about him. To bring that up is just stupid. Not quite as stupid as believing that Obama will turn the U.S. into a Muslim, communist nation, but still pretty stupid.
As for being a good speaker as a not being a prerequisite for being president, I disagree with you 100%. The presidency is in part a figurehead position and dependent on the holder's ability to express ideas (that may not be his own) and get buy-in from the citizenry. A person who speaks like a cognitively impaired 5th grader (Bush, Palin) cannot be an effective leader and only serves to invite scorn from the international community.
Posted by MR_PRETTY on October 8, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
lollol, ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha.lol lol lol lol lol lol lol ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,ha,ha, ha, ha, lol olo lol olo lo l lol olo oool lolo olololol. Man, you guys are sick! lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol, goodnight, goodnight, hey hey hey, go home, I say again , Obama, Obama, hey hey hey YOUR AMERICA'S PRESIDENT!
Posted by MR_PRETTY on October 8, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
let's make love not war
Posted by guidedbystewart on October 8, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, it looks like the Republicans are getting really nervous, and because of it, this campaign getting uglier than Dick Cheney with no clothes. I bet that the blowhard radio talk show hosts are working overtime to conjure up enough lies and half truths to keep their propaganda machine rolling at full throttle. The thing is they are just preaching to the choir (many at which are the same most vocal contingency that post on this site).
Obama is ahead in the polls, and many are now crying more and more, “Buuuuuuttt, what about Bill Ayers? Buuuuttttt, what about the Reverend Wright?” ….sounds like someone needs an extra large pacifier.
Hell, Bush appointed several nefarious people to government post (Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Wolfwitz, so what if Obama worked with some sixties radical and went to church led by an angry black man (new one there), at least they will not be involved with important positions involving our policy decisions for our country. Hell, I am sure that 98% of you have been involved with a less than scrupulous person during your lifetime whether you knew it or not.
BTW RW, how about them Auburn Tigers (or is it War Eagles, I never understood the difference).
Posted by MR_PRETTY on October 8, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
America will finally live up to it's true creed" that day is amoungst us" lift every voice and sing. now i will pledge allegiance and mean it! anyone know where i can find one of those big American flags for my front porch? I've always wanted one of those things.
Posted by SCdeacinNYC on October 8, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I have one post on this and that's that. All the anti-Obamites and Obama Haters are completely delusional and desperate. Most of you can't come up with one political reason you disagree with Obama and like the Republican ticket is doing presently, is resorting to personal attacks to try to get the job done. Well if there's anything Obama can thank the Clintons for, it's that this already came out several months ago, they tried the Ayers and Wright thing and it didn't work. Anyone who was going to judge him based on that fact has pretty much already done it. So, what is the point now?
Of course you can always go the completely rational and not at all idiotic way of posters like "hipchick" and start to declare that Obama is the "anti-christ". One word for that: Whatever.
Posted by nappyd on October 8, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
As much as I distrust both of these guys, I have to admit I'm jealous of them and also Biden, Palin, & Hillary (hey, she did hang in there a little too long...).
For that matter anyone else who ran while still keeping their position and receiving pay from taxpayer dollars.
Who wouldn't love to receive their pay & full benefits from their job while taking off for, in this case, well over several months to campaign for a new job?
Only in America!
Posted by tzeigler on October 8, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Once again the forum here on P&C never seems to fail. There are some of you who are trying to condemn Obama because his middle name is Hussein. Do you really think he named himself? The sad part of that is, that is your only argument. Hell,Palin sounds like Stalin are we condemning her? Bottom line this country needs a change, if for no other reason, the current way it is being run is NOT WORKING. Wake up people, this election could be about a number of things, men vs women, black vs white, young vs old.
Basically, why is it that we keep allowing this country to be run by people who know nothing about how the average American lives? McCain has no idea what it's like to have to pay back school loans while trying to pay a mortgage or what it is like to be hungry. His biggest personal struggle was being in the military which he volunteered for. He wasn't drafted. We commend his service but why? That's like giving a father a medal for playing catch with his kid. It's part of the job. I know that a lot of you may not like what I say but reality is reality and we need to stop living like we are waiting to die. But in the grand scheme, the Good Ol' boys are weighing there options right now, if John "One foot in the grave" McCain becomes the President and dies in office, Palin (A woman) will run this country. I think you would rather say President Barack Hussein Obama, than Madame President Sarah Palin.
Posted by hipchick on October 8, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I did not declare that Obama is the anti-Christ. I pray he isn't for all our sakes, even yours SCdeacinNYC.
Posted by coolfreaknbeans on October 8, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
guidedbystewart-Ewwwww Thanks for that visual.Dick Cheney with no clothes.I may have nightmares now.
I think on some issues the two parties agree,but refuse to admit it.O'Bama expressed that he would use military action in countries that were committing atrocities.He said we wouldn't allow another holocaust.(or something to that effect)Ok.Great.Well,what in the hell does he think was happening in Iraq?Does having rape rooms,using WMDs on people,beheading women and marching the streets with their heads on sticks not equate atrocities being committed?I just wish sometimes they'd admit they agree on more things.
Posted by SCdeacinNYC on October 8, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh I'm sorry "hipchick", but that's what you seemed to suggest when you posted that. Exactly what point where you try to get across there, that Obama "might" be the anti-christ? That sounds so much better that declaring it, after all you aren't completely sure right? Regardless, your statement is ridiculous on many levels.
Posted by hipchick on October 8, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
to SCdeacinNYC
so much for your "one post"
Posted by charlestonpride on October 8, 2008 at 10:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I hate politics. Politicians will DO AND SAY WHATEVER it takes to get elected. The government has screwed us with a big one and will continue the same path. There is no magic bullet and there is no magic person that can fix this mess. We put the people in the White House and now it's time to take out the trash! Everyone speaks like they KNOW these people running for office. We don't KNOW these people. We are at the mercy of the government. If WE don't take back our nation...I hate to think of it~!
Posted by SCdeacinNYC on October 8, 2008 at 10:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I know "hipchick", I broke my own rule, I just wanted you to clarify your statement, since you disagreed with my assessment of it (which you have yet to do). So now, I'm really done.
Posted by MR_PRETTY on October 8, 2008 at 10:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
hey hey Guideby, don't make any excuse for Rev. Wright. He is a man not some damn puppet. The man only spoke the truth about how blacks and other brown people are treated in this country. Stop making racist white people think that where all happy to be here ( living in this racist ) system) I'm not happy. And if your a person of color, i don't care if your rich or poor if your brown in this country the deck is stacked against you. Everything the rev. said was correct. Obama can't say it because he needs all the votes he can get. So, I'll say it for the GREAT REV. WRIGHT AND FOR OBAMA, "SICK BUTT RACIST WHITE FOLKS ( NOT YOU NEUTRAL GOOD TO GO WHITE FOLKS)(I'M TALKING TO YOUR STRAIGHT UP WHITE RACIST BROTHERS), RACIST WHITE FOLKS "SHUT UP" AND WORSHIP A BLA..I MEAN "SHUT UP" AND SALUTE YOUR NEW "SOON TO BE COMMANDER AND CHEIF" THE BIG "P" SHUT UP AND LET THIS BEAUTIFUL BLACK MAN RUN THIS COUNTRY THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE RUN.
Posted by crankyyankee on October 8, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
While most whine about the economy, Iraq War, lack of credit and high gas prices. You have completely forgotten immigration, ethics reform, income tax reform, social security/medicaid solvency and many other issues. The lack of comment from the two candidates about anything other than the Iraq War, the economy and what a idiot the other is, speaks volumes. If you whiners really think things are bad now wait another fifty years when the population of the US has doubled and the cheap gas will be the least of your worries. Get your candidate to tell you how he sees us handling the increased demand for goods and services in our Country let alone the World in another twenty years! Of coarse most of you will have more children and demand the Government provide. Beautiful! Why do you constantly elect the one who tells you what you want to hear? You are all like children at Chrismas. What is it about reality that scares you so much you refuse to talk about it? You will be lead by a reflection of yourselves so take a long look at Barrack, John, Nancy, Barney and Lindsey! They are you! Beautiful! Is it really that hard to understand? I get so frustrated every election listening to small people with small problems wring their hands and cry about their plight and run right down to the polls and pull the lever for Barrack O'Democrat or John McRepublican. What has either of these parties done to make you so shamelessly loyal? Please tell me it's something other than stupidity!.
Posted by Tulane75 on October 8, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Mouth of the south's comment about hitler can only be based on Mouth's belief that hitler's rantings about Jews and others are acceptable.
Posted by Missing_Home on October 8, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think it SUCKS, that Obama and Mccain are the Two best choices we could come up with for America.
I might just write in "Nader".
Posted by Missing_Home on October 8, 2008 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Sad to say the only question I heard answered with any specitivity (if that is a word) was the one about Healthcare.
Right or Responsibility?
All of the other questions were sidestepped or answers so drawn out you forgot what the question was in the first place.
Why can't they answer like we were taught, i.e.. "Yes, Because" or "No, Because"
Can I get an Amen?
Posted by noname on October 8, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I did not watch that crap on last night on purpose, because I am so sick of the personal attacks by each party; I wish this mess was over today!
I actually feel for this country, because it is going to worst, before it gets any better.
You guys can argue about who is telling the truth or who is lying all day long, it won’t make a difference once the winner is placed in that seat, for you see, most politicians will tell you exactly what they think you want to hear , that’s just what they do!!!!
Some of these comment posted here today attacking people’s view on THEIR opinion is just down right rude! One’s decision is based on THEIR opinion of the candidates, the debates, articles, and news media reports that has been provided to us, every fact stated as TWO opinions, rather it is the truth or not, we should at least respect the other person opinion.
Posted by SpiderJohn on October 8, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
OBAMA WON THE DEBATE! OBAMA WON THE DEBATE! OBAMA WON THE DEBATE!
McBush looked like he was pleading at certain points! Sad OLD pleading man. He reminded me of some OLD soul that was starting to get dementia....babbling, wondering around the stage aimlessly. Not even sure he heard or understood some of the questions.
He said NO in supporting Israel from Iran? Yes he did!
Posted by coolfreaknbeans on October 8, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I debated whether or not to post this. I have to vent. My child's teacher when asked the other day who she was voting for,went on a liberal rant. She said O'Bama of course. She told students that George Bush was the stupidest,dumbest president ever. That the economy was this way because of him and she had a poster she laughed at every day of dumb things he has said. She continued by saying that no republican should ever be in office. My child challenged her by asking what she thought of O'Bama voting against further protecting the rights of surviving aborted babies. She told my daughter that was a lie. When my daughter said she saw it on tv,she again said thats a lie. I want to say that even if her rant was against O'Bama it is still very inappropriate. BTW- This teacher doesn't even teach social studies,political science,etc. She is a freaking DANCE teacher.
Posted by Missing_Home on October 8, 2008 at 10:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Spider John, It is not nice to smoke crack while watching the debate.
Obama is the one that continuously was rattled and kept going over his allotted time.
Posted by iceman1978 on October 8, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The country needs someone to believe in, and I think that's part of why people are drawn to Obama. His lack of experience demonstrates to people that he's not part of the Washington establishment.
I don't affiliate with either party and have not decided on who to vote for. My views are more conservative on economics and more liberal on social issues. I liked Reagan and Clinton, was indifferent to Bush Sr. and didn't feel strongly one way or another, but I don't like Bush Jr. I never have. Conservatives need to realize that this man has done tremendous damage to the GOP. If McCain wanted any chance at winning this election he would distance himself from Bush as much as possible.
It's too bad that McCain didn't get the nomination back in 2000.
Posted by dogwoodroad on October 8, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This whole thing is a giant mess...the debate was boring and there was no winner, so everyone should move on from that...
BO is still preaching wealth redistribution, which is NOT a tenet that I subscribe to...and I am not wealthy...in fact, I will probably get back everything I paid in taxes this year. However, I do not think my welfare should be up to the "system" that BO is so fond of touting and funding.
McCain's idea of buying up mortgages is absurd...as was the whole bailout!!! I am, from this day forward, going to rename the bailout the "giant crapout"
when BO wins this election (and I say this with much fear and dismay), I will congratulate all of my friends, and then remind them to get ready to turn over everything they own to the government, so that the "system" can figure out who needs what and how much of it...
Posted by Missing_Home on October 8, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Iceman, I wish he had gotten the nomination back in 2000 as well.
I think we would be living in a different world.
Posted by charlestonpride on October 8, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
There was no loser or winner. Just the same babbling coming from the both of them. It was the same stuff that I have heard for 6 months. I was wishing for something that would spark so I can say I agree with that, or that makes good common sense. I got nothing from it. It was a waste. JMO
Posted by iceman1978 on October 8, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Missing_Home, The country needs another Teddy Roosevelt. We need strong leadership, and I don't think we're going to get it.
Regardless of who wins, the economy will continue to decline. Now that they've dropped interest rates yet again, the Dollar is starting to fall back.
Posted by Missing_Home on October 8, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
According to the Democratic Propaganda Channel (CNN), they are claiming Obama won as well.
What a bunch of Hippie pot smoking throwbacks over there.
Posted by Missing_Home on October 8, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I will always love Ronnie Reagan, too bad no one out there right now like him. Not even McCain.
Posted by WinthropEagleFan on October 8, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Missing_Home, you said "I might just write in 'Nader'."
No need to write him in, he is going to be on the ballot as an independent. There are other choices as well (Cynthia McKinney of the Green Party, Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party, and Bob Barr of the Libertarian Party)...So there are other options to vote for if you aren't happy with McCain or Obama.
Posted by charlestonpride on October 8, 2008 at 11:04 a.m.
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Posted by MR_PRETTY on October 8, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
redistrubution of wealth, WOW, i like the sound of that. you mean to tell me that all the money that was made off of the backs of my poor old ancestors by working from sun up to sun down, will finally be distrubuted to me. thats rightous. SOUTH CAROLINA HAS THAT OLD SLAVERY MONEY. BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF MY GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHERS MONEY. GIVE IT UP!
Posted by joshmerd on October 8, 2008 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Missing: You don't have to write Nader in...he's on the ballot already. ;)
Posted by dogwoodroad on October 8, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
re: wealth redistribution - actually Oprah, Barack, AND McCain and Biden's money is going to be redistributed...why does everyone always turn this into a race thing?
Posted by SpiderJohn on October 8, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I assume we all watched the same debate????
Are you republicans so delusional that you actual thought McCain won?
He was a sad representation of his former self!
Posted by msplacedinsc on October 8, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Fot the last eight long years, everyday has been a sad day since George "the idiot" Bush has been at the helm of this country.
Posted by wood_floors on October 8, 2008 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ok...here's a thought...The radical muslims have said that they wish to destroy the USA from the inside out. Obama will make that happen!!! Additionally, Obama is known to have connections with radical muslims. Coincidence, I think not!!!!
Obama supporters, WAKE UP!!!! Congress has been full of democrats for 6 years now, do the research, the financial issues of this great nation are not a direct result of GWB, Congress should be held accountable!!! Get the democrats out and let's see what happens.
Quite frankly, I'm concerned about the safety and wellbeing of my fellow Americans. McCain will protect this country's people as well as our future...
VOTE MCCAIN
Posted by ballachulish on October 8, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hipchick,
Ken Blackwell was the secretary of state for Ohio who rigged the election for Bush in 2004, hardly a person of character or a good judge of character.
Posted by kontact on October 8, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You know what sad about the majority of these post? Whats going to be yall excuse when Obama gets elected and gets US out of this rut that Bush has us in? Are yall going to give credit to the Congress? Senate? I dont even care as long as he hurries up and get elected. And He will be the next President. We need help on the frontlines at HOME badly. I cant take another year of financial instability like I have been. Nor can millions of other Americans.
Posted by charlestonpride on October 8, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This is not a "fix" that will happen for YEARS. You can expect another year of financial crap because the politicians have their greedy pork greased hands in the pot. If it won't make THEM a profit, they won't do it. They don't care about us, the middle class people. They only care about the billion dollar companys that will give them a hand out for "favors".
Posted by n4dhs on October 8, 2008 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
hmm interesting video i saw on you tube the other day with "Obama Youth" going on about because of Obama they could be the next fireman or whatever - be what you want to be because YOU work hard for it - it scared the sh** out of me to watch those kids - can anyone say "Hitler Youth?" yet if white folks even thought of that they would be run out of town - these kids were from a middle school and had been coached by one of their teachers! - and yes my kid goes to West Ashley High and all she hears from the teachers is how awful the Republicans are! - one teacher from another state when told that he had to wear a blue shirt to school to support Obama because the union said so said no - was basically threated with firing when he objected - Im no conspiracy theorist OR bible basher but that sure sounds like an anti-christ to me!
Posted by kontact on October 8, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Bush did nothing to help the republican party. In fact if I didnt know any better I would think he wanted the democrat to win. He has been an example of a bad president. His whole presidency has been tainted due to the fact that he is completely out of touch with America (and has no common sense).
Posted by annemarie on October 8, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
For Mouth and RW, and those like you (Heaven forbid there are too many of you in my native state), I have a quote for you from Hitler on God - since you seem to like to refer to both in your various postings.
Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord...”
As for whoever suggested the Paglia article in "Salon," thank you. I have just printed it to read. However, don't get your hopes up concerning RW, Mouth, et. al. I rather doubt they read, much less think a thought of their own. They just spew hate, and then quote the Bible! Not unlike Hitler, God is their weapon.
Posted by msplacedinsc on October 8, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Spider, If you turn on the Fox Channel, heck they believe McCain not only won the debate but I'll bet they predict him winning every state come election day?
McCain looks "SO DAM OLD" and at 72 he needs to do what all 72 year olds do in this country RETIRE, his snide, pompous, attitude reminds me of the "Worst President Ever". Ooops, I'm sorry 72 years old can't retire not since the economy is in the tank, thanks GOP and your last 10 years out of the 12 running Congress.
Aren't they a Bunch of Great Folks?
Posted by abitskeptical on October 8, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Anyone who thinks either of these guys is going to wave a magic wand & fix the financial instability...oh, just like that...is really naive.
Whoever is elected is going to be facing the >800 billion dollar bailout situation. Both of them voted for it.
All of you who are hanging all your hopes on one of them or the other must have tunnel vision.
There are major players from both parties who have "gone over to the dark side" & are supporting the candidate in the rival party.
What does this say to you people?
Huff & puff & twist facts & statistics around all you want to make yourself feel better about voting for one or the other, but there really is not that much difference between these 2 choices. Really.
Posted by dogwoodroad on October 8, 2008 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
abitskeptical: agreed; we are screwed either way
If anyone wants to see the results of something similar to what we are facing, do a little research on Kevin Rudd in Australia...the Aussie's were all screaming for "change" in that election, too...
Posted by hightide on October 8, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
well said, annemarie!
Posted by charlestonpride on October 8, 2008 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
abit...I agree with your statements. It will still be the same in DC. Blaming each other and no body fixing the problem. The already slow moving bureaucracy will be even slower...example, the NCLB (not called that) was orignally created by Lyndon Johnson in 1965. How many years did that take to come to pass. (even though it's a bs law)
Posted by prosperous_hb on October 8, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Didn't McCain sound like he was out of breathe after he answered each question??? lol
Posted by hightide on October 8, 2008 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
what does "flaming liberal homo" have to do with anything? what happened to FREEDOM in this country?
Posted by guidedbystewart on October 8, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
McCain did look haggard and old during the debate last night. I am sure that the campaigning is starting to take its toll. We all know how much the presidency ages people, just look at the before and after pictures of people that have been in office before. I do not know about you, but Palin as president makes me nervous (and it is not because she is a women but because of the ignorance of the world and current policy that she has displayed).
Posted by dogwoodroad on October 8, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
questions about what happened with Fannie and Freddie? read this, and lets party like it's 1999!
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.ht...
Posted by Missing_Home on October 8, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Spider John, We were all watching the same debate. The only Difference was, you musta been smoking the pipe.
Posted by Missing_Home on October 8, 2008 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hi Winthrop eagle and Joshmerd, I wish they (the other candidates) were having a debate.
Posted by guidedbystewart on October 8, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Mouth,
I find your name offensive! As a southerner, I do not want your warped viewpoints to be confused with my viewpoints. Because of this, I suggest that you change your name to maybe, Mouth of the Inbreeds or maybe Mouth of the Closeminded or Mouth of the Hicks, or even Mouth of the Idiots. Please take my suggestions into consideration...
Thank You
Posted by hightide on October 8, 2008 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by The_Mouth_of_the_South on October 8, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
hightide:
Being a flaming homo puts your judgment into massive question. Look at what the other flaming homos have done to our country. Homo marriage, the destruction of the family, liberal financial decisions (like Barney Frank who has opposed regulating fannie and freddie), etc.
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The destruction of the "family" has nothing to do with gay people in this country. Destruction is due to people jumping in and out of marriages (straight people, obviously), getting divorced at ridiculous rates and having children before they're ready to. Those 3 things are the causes of what you're talking about, and gay people are not the reason for any of them! People who think gays are ruining family values need to open their eyes.
Politicians on BOTH sides have screwed up with regards to financial regulations. Again, open your freaking eyes!
But I guess if you're so anti-gay, you probably like the likes of Republican Workhorses and McSame.
What a shame.
Posted by dogwoodroad on October 8, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
hmmm...I don't know that I would accuse Frank of making liberal financial decisions because he's gay....maybe because he was having a relationship with the head of Fannie (a gay one, yes, but that's not really relevant)...
Posted by hightide on October 8, 2008 at 12:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It's like talking to a brick wall around here.
Posted by dude on October 8, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Vote Repulican!!
Four more wars!
no wait, I mean
Four more lies!
no, that's not right either
Four more years of war and lies!
Yeah, that's it.
Constitution, we don't need no stinkin' Constitution.
Posted by woodrob12 on October 8, 2008 at 1:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Anyone who thinks that either one of the candidates will lower taxes is mistaken. You simply can't run a war which costs $10 billion monthly and bailout/rescue the economy/housing mess w/ $700 billion. The buck is going to stop with whoever's the next president be they elephant or donkey.
Both sides need to stop pointing fingers regarding who started this credit mess. Both Clinton and Bush administrations have to shoulder part of the blame, but ultimately it's the fault of the American consumer mentality of spending more than we have. It's not the low income minorities that are defaulting on their loans in droves. These are the individuals the relaxed regulatory laws intended to help. Those who exploited these regulations and mortagaged themselves t the hilt, ie. the real estate "flippers" who bailed on loans when the market went south, are the real culprits.
--Humbly sumbitted,
WR
mortgage fully paid in 11 years 3 mos.
Posted by jsks on October 8, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I just want to preface that I think I am a pretty independent thinker and it is obvious that if you are Pro-McCain/Palin, you are going to call the the documented distortions a lie and respond by saying the media is biased. What some of you fail to remember is that during the 2004 election, McCain was the darling of the media and he commented on numerous occasions about his positive relationship with the media. When folks start calling the campaign out on their blatant lies and fear mongering, the campaign gets all of you R's all bent out of shape. I am by no means advocating that the Obama campaign has been innocent in this campaign but it is clear as the day is long, that the McCain campaign is spoon feeding you like a bunch of new born babies.
When the big issues such as the economy, health care, and the even the war in Iraq are not working for the McCain campaign, they revert to Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers garbage. I thought the first debate was a tie, but last night was McCain's chance to show the American public he was serious about being a statesmen and our next President. Instead, he made some ill timed condescending comments to Senator Obama, Tom Brokaw and the guy who asked him about the mortgage crisis. He may have served this country well and is truly a war hero, but that doesn't mean he has the temperment to be President.
Posted by jsks on October 8, 2008 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
And another thing....
Thats all we heard before the Republican convention was how inexperienced Obama was and how young and naive he is. Then the McCain campaign picks Gov Palin and we haven't heard a word. I wonder why? Most R's think that people have an issue with her lack of experience but I think that is only a small part of it. What most folks really care about is her ability to think about things in a complex manner. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but any senior communications major at the College of Charleston with 2 weeks preparation could have performed just as well as Gov Palin, but all the R's don't want to see the writing on the wall. The American people aren't stupid. When folks have to make a decision about keeping their car, their house and paying for groceries for their families, the fact that Obama is black or "mysterious" or "dangerous" as the McCain campaign puts it, will be null and void.
Posted by charlestonpride on October 8, 2008 at 1:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jsks wrote....Thats all we heard before the Republican convention was how inexperienced Obama was and how young and naive he is. Then the McCain campaign picks Gov Palin and we haven't heard a word.
Where have you been? The media has already covered this...over and over and over.
Posted by DanniD on October 8, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
HIP CHICK wrote: "Ken Blackwell of the New York Sun recently wrote a piece on Obama's character and political views. In that piece, he referred to the Book of Revelations which describes in great detail the Anti-Christ..."he will be a man, in his 40s of Muslim descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a massive Christ-like appeal...the people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace and when he comes to power, he will destroy everything." It is a frightening possibility to those who believe."
The Book of Revelation, does NOT say that, furthermore, this is not written anywhere in the New or Old Testament.
I think we are pretty much screwed either way with Obama or Mccain. It is going to take a lot more than a new president to get our country out of this mess.
Posted by jsks on October 8, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am so sick of McCain supporters bringing up Obama's middle name? Who cares if it is Hussein or Hank? Is that all you single minded people can dwell on? Let's see, his name sounds foreign and some terrorists are foreign, therefore he is a terrorist.
You are the same ones that voted for George Bush the first and second times. Do you really think, we should trust your judgement?
Posted by jsks on October 8, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Charlestonpride, and your point?
So if the media reports on it, it is NOT true? What is the Republican fascination with the media?
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to listen to the candidates to figure out who is more intelligent, who has a better sense of the economy and who has the temperment to be a good leader.
Posted by Weeeee on October 8, 2008 at 1:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by Missing_Home on October 8, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think it SUCKS, that Obama and Mccain are the Two best choices we could come up with for America.
I might just write in "Nader".
Nader is on the ballot anyway, but you can always waste your vote by writing in your own name. It's an awesome plan but would only work if everyone did it.
Posted by charlestonpride on October 8, 2008 at 1:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I was just saying after she was named, that's all I heard from the media. It was all about the non experience, not being a good mother, etc... The media covered her for weeks.
Posted by jsks on October 8, 2008 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Jane again..I am not understanding your point. Do you have a problem with the notion of someone being a Muslim or do you have a problem with someone lying about their religion?
Have any of you heard of George Joulwan or Omar Bradley? Probably not. Both have arabic derived names and both are decorated generals in the United States military. Hmmm. Are they terrorists?
With all the important issues facing our country, this is what John McCain has us wasting our Wednesday afternoons arguing about. I should know better.
Posted by jsks on October 8, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yeah RW,
McCain is slipping in the polls. His campaign pulled out of Michigan and he is now reverting to personal character attacks. What the R's are completely forgetting in these debates is that people aren't just listening to the words but they are also looking for non-verbal signs of leadership. Did anyone notice that the McCain's high tailed their butts out of there after the debate last night while the Obama's stuck around and chatted with folks for 20 minutes? That was the most telling aspect of the debate.
Posted by guidedbystewart on October 8, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A really good reason to vote Democrat.....
RW, Mouth, Thomas1776, and Jane are Republican....enough said.
Posted by jsks on October 8, 2008 at 2:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow. It's almost as though many of you have never read the constitution, a book about the American Revolution or glanced at a story about the civil war. Your religious affliation has nothing to do with your love of the country and what you are preaching is downright bigotry and racism.
Posted by jsks on October 8, 2008 at 2:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW and the rest of R's...
Why is it always a Liberal versus Conservative mindset? If you know anything about legislators and those that govern, it will be clear to you that good policy takes a little bit from both sides and brings consensus to the table. I have lived and worked in Washington DC for 2 years and lived in Charleston for 5 years. The Clinton Administration is the best example of this consensus building. Under his administration, we had a budget surplus. We had a healthy economy, welfare rolls were diminishing, small business was growing, and we had a positive reputation on the world stage.
Can you R's explain that to me? It's called governing. The failure of this administration has been its hard line stance on many issues that have isolated friends and enraged enemies.
Your rhetoric just doesn't make sense and it's really not relevant to how things really work.
Posted by abitskeptical on October 8, 2008 at 2:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Do any of you think you are changing anyone's mind?
Especially those who insist on bringing up stupid things like Obama's middle name(over which he had no control) or making up stupid twists on McCain's name.
Most of these posts demonstrate that once a person has made up his/her mind, he/she will see things only in terms which support that decision & exclude (consciously or subconsciously) anything possibly contrary to the established mindset.
Opens minds? Logical thinking? Ha! I don't see it in either the rabidly left or right leaning here. It is a pretty sad commentary on the "masses" which will be voting.
Most of the posts here are as tedious as the debate.
Posted by a_set_love on October 8, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by guidedbystewart on October 8, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A really good reason to vote Democrat.....
RW, Mouth, Thomas1776, and Jane are Republican....enough said.
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Left me out again, Are you pretending I don't matter just because I don't look like the people on the dollar bills.
Posted by msplacedinsc on October 8, 2008 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jsks,
Don't waste your time with these GOP fools! They support an idealogy that this party doesn't really want educated people, they want a strong military but not a strong nation, they don't want you to question they're authority, they want you to believe that you are rich as they are if you own a home, drive a nice car and have alittle money in the bank? Your like them (not really thou?) Greed is they're foundation! When it comes to money they want their followers sit on the floor next to table hope and pray for the "$craps", they don't want to spread it around. They beat the drums about Abortion, God Almighty, Taxes, and Guns, thats they're rally cry to the "right" and the "far right" It's so sad?
Thats why Education, Open Minded, Hard Work, Support of all Americans, Strong Military, A good Working Wage, Affordable Healthcare is the battle cry for Democrats and Independants this election. If only the old fart McCain understood this idealogy?
Posted by annemarie on October 8, 2008 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have come to the conclusion that it is people who are not thinkers who vote for McCain, and the intelligent vote for Obama. It was so obvious to me last night in the debate that McCain is vapid. He shuffled around like an old man and repeated things Obama said, as if he were desperate for something to say. Mid-way, I wished I had begun to count the times he said "I," "me," "my" - because all he portrayed to me was that he wants US TO GIVE HIM THE JOB as a reward for his long service or something, not that he has a thought in his head as to what he'll do once he gets it. He just wants it! He thinks he won’t have to run the country: he’ll just appoint others to do it while he rests on his laurels. It's obvious to me he is not invested -- nor is he very bright.
And then you have Obama: He's articulate, so very bright. It's obvious he's given our country (and others) a great deal of thought. He's an admirable man, and he has heart for this country. I feel he has the ability to be a peace-maker and salvage our reputation around the world. He also has energy, which John McCain is sorely missing. He's an old man and needs to go on home and take care of himself.
McCain would never live through a term: and guess what?! Mrs. Alaska would be SUCH a travesty. Not to mention how 30 years of women's rights would retrogress in an instant. And have you heard a word from "First Dude?" Believe me, they're keeping him quiet for a reason! Our country'd be like Gidget and Moondoggy's Big Adventure Steppin' Out of Alaska. Sad thing is: they don't even have the polish to rate that.
Posted by hightide on October 8, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jsks, the bigots and racists here can't see their own true colors. I can't believe some of the backwards things I've read here in the short time since I joined the P&C community.
Posted by a_set_love on October 8, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Obama isn't a "Black Man", He might look black on the outside but is 100% whitey inside.
Posted by guidedbystewart on October 8, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by a_set_love on October 8, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by guidedbystewart on October 8, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A really good reason to vote Democrat.....
RW, Mouth, Thomas1776, and Jane are Republican....enough said.
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"Left me out again, Are you pretending I don't matter just because I don't look like the people on the dollar bills."
Sorry, while we disagree politically, you do not come across as the usual for mentioned suspects.
Damn, I bet changed someone's mind that was on the fence. :)
Posted by jsks on October 8, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No, I dont think I am changing minds, but it is nice for me to get a sense of what some people care about. I actually find it kind of funny and sad at the same time. Like I said, I live in DC so I get a chance to see the world in a different light. It's funny, folks here would be completely dumbfounded with some of the comments on this board. These folks live in a bubble and when you live in a cultural bubble, you never get a chance to see people for who they are, rather than what they look like. Its a shame.
Posted by samthefreethinker on October 8, 2008 at 2:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
For RW, part 1
Joe Republican gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of water, he takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised. All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry. In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for the laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks on the government-provided sidewalk to subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.
Joe likes to email his friends. He likes to talk on the phone. He is secure in his knowledge that everything he says in the email and on the phone is secure and that no one is listening in or reading his mail because those commie liberal constitution framers believed that Joe had the right to privacy. It is noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills.
Posted by samthefreethinker on October 8, 2008 at 2:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
and part II:
Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression. Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his lifetime. Joe also forgets that his in addition to his federally subsidized student loans, he attended a state funded university.
Joe is secure in his walk to the bank with the knowledge that no police agency has the right to arrest and jail him without due process and probable cause. He has the right to an attorney, a jury of his peers and to be brought before a magistrate in a timely fashion. His family has the right to know he has been arrested. Again Joe can thank those commie constitution framers.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety standards to go along with the tax-payer funded roads. He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.
He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have."
Posted by BlueGrits on October 8, 2008 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What a bunch of foaming at the mouth scared re-thugs. what's the matter? Fraid the scarey black man will be the next President? oh and MOTS? I reported your comments, you ignorant piece of shyt.
Posted by jsks on October 8, 2008 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well said. I couldn't have said it better....
Progressive's Unite!!
Posted by JerseyLady on October 8, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
As a register Independent and a voter of 25 years, when I voted on a state or federal level the issues that are important got my vote. Issues like the economy, jobs, education, health care, foreign & domestic affairs and our environment. How it will affect me, my family, a resident of my state. Before that vote is cast I research the candidates, I check out their opinions on those issues. I read publications/books on their views and views of others that are familiar with their work. I facilitate my public library that is maintain by our local taxes, that have more publications than just the local news. When I do make a decision or voice my opinion I consider myself a lot more knowledgeable on the issues. This outlook did not form overnight it took years getting frustrated with our political leaders of both ptys. If you research these politicians and look at their background and how they voted and what they said years ago are today you can really form a more knowledgeable opinion. Politicians are not Gods and can't solve every problem, and we have a few who don't' represent anyone but themselves and like we the mud sling is in the arena. Don't do what a some American do when not inform, don't care about the issues, and are just plain stupid and cast a vote.
Posted by kontact on October 8, 2008 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
i cant believe JOETHEFREETHINKER-WOW-THAT was very refreshing- Thats an example for ya rght there
Posted by msplacedinsc on October 8, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
freethink,
Great post except I don't think RW has the patience and understnding with your points? Could you "dumb-it-down" some more for this poor uneducated soul? I'm sure he'd really appreicate it?
Sign,
Another Free Thinker in Good Ole' USA
Posted by SCdeacinNYC on October 8, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
dumb it down.....and add some exclamation points in there as well msplacedinsc!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by hightide on October 8, 2008 at 4:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RW sounds like Mark Levin. Like his head is red with anger, about to burst with all the built up fury over the liberals who refuse to side with hypocricy.
Posted by iceman1978 on October 8, 2008 at 4:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
samthefreethinker, Excellent post. That's not the first time I've seen that one.
Posted by annemarie on October 8, 2008 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If RW is Rocky D. and only pulling a Limbaugh-like persona for his show, and using this forum to rant -- when he doesn't really mean what he's saying -- then his comments should be stopped!!! Frankly, it would almost be a RELIEF to know such AWFUL people with such backward notions don't REALLY exist in that beautiful geography down there; however, if it's a ruse, it's not free speech. Just fiction.
Then what of Mouth of the South (Not!) aka Nazi Redneck? What of him? Let's hope his opinions are faked, as well. Wouldn't that be WONDERFUL?!
Posted by Teach7775 on October 8, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am gonna laugh my ass off when Obama wins..
Posted by gneubeck on October 8, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The disparity between Barack (ACORN) Obama's rhetoric and actual record is astounding. In the interest of brevity let's exam only four of numerous issues. Obama spoke superfluously about his intention to use the American military to resolve a myriad of world trouble spots. This from a man who has vowed: "to cut tens of billions of $s from the military budget"; "to terminate America's ballistic missile defense program"; and, "to terminate and or delay the military's advanced weapons programs"; and, to fund a "Public Allies" youth indoctrination core "just as large, and just as well funded as the US military." So with his severely hallowed-out military force structure, just how does Obama intend to confront our adversaries? On energy, Obama while referring to nebulous restrictions, repeated his promise to support an increased reliance on nuclear power plants for electrical energy generation. This from a man who has vowed to eliminate all production facilities for fissile material. Perhaps Obama is unaware that fissile material is the feedstock for nuclear plants. In other words Obama's proposal is analogous to approving more coal fired plants; but, terminating the mining of our coal reserves. On taxes, Obama has promised "to give 95% of Americans a tax reduction on their federal income taxes." This would be a remarkable exercise in math manipulation; since, under the Bush tax cuts, more than 40% of Americans no longer pay ANY federal income taxes. On spending, Obama has promised "to balance the budget in his first term." This again from a man who has committed to almost a Trillion $s in NEW domestic spending; and, the provision of 85 Billion $s/year TO the UN to combat world poverty. There can be no rational argument countering the fact that Obama is the most extreme far-left-radical EVER nominated by a major political party. His election would represent the obituary on an America as we now know it. Greg Neubeck
Posted by msplacedinsc on October 8, 2008 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ya'll,
I told you RW wouldn't understand??????? Bless his tiny little heart!!!!It would appear by reading his posts, he has alot of anger on the inside towards government, liberals, independants, educated people, black folks, asians, hispanics, hockey, basketball, New York, LA, national public radio, travel channel, american idol, dogs , cats, plants, trees, grass...so on and so on!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by guidedbystewart on October 8, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Excellent post samethefreethinker.
Anyone that posts a coherent thoughtful post RW labels them a moron. Take it as a badge of honor, I know I do.
It is kind of ironic RW calls anyone a moron, stupid is as stupid does.
Posted by Teach7775 on October 8, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Is RW Rocky D??
Posted by guidedbystewart on October 8, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When Obama wins I am going to pull a RW!
LLLOOOOLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by SCdeacinNYC on October 8, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Please everyone google "Greg Neubeck", I thought he had already been exposed here as a troll that just posts random factless accounts on websites. He posts on just about every news and political site. But you would think that a troll would decide to use a different name for every post, not too bright.
Posted by chs294 on October 8, 2008 at 4:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Has anyone noticed that most of what we're dealing with now(a war withstanding) didn't come about until the last 2 years. When Democrats took over Congress. I'm tired of alot that the current admin. had been doing but we will be putting ourselves in a worse position down the road if Obama is allowed to do what his history and words indicate. Thankfully the position is mostly figure-head. Sadly there are those in certain demographics who think he is their savior. What's the over/under on how long before we start hearing "sellout".
Posted by abitskeptical on October 8, 2008 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You know what is hilarious & pathetic at the same time?
Both sides acting like a bunch of immature 12 yr olds with
1. the name calling
2. ridiculous assertions regarding the intelligence of the candidates (neither is a dumb bunny, both are plenty intelligent)
3. seeing hypocrisy only in the other side (THIS ONE REALLY DISGUSTS ME)
4. REFUSING TO SEE THAT THE STATE OF THIS COUNTRY IS THE CUMULATIVE RESULT OF BAD POLICY & ABUSE OF POWER & TRUST FROM A NUMBER OF ADMINISTRATIONS & CONGRESSES...
Both parties are complicit in the state of affairs we now are in. Until both sides(politicians & voters alike) fully acknowledge this, we will stay in a state of chaos.
Posted by Lovely_One on October 8, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OMG! Give it a rest already. Everyone on the left is gonna say Obama won and McCain lost and everyone on the right is gonna say McCain won and Obama lost. You are fighting a never ending battle. It's the same crap day in and day out. No one on either side (the extremists that we have here especially) is going to convince someone from the other side that the other person is wrong and they are right. Get over it! Get out and vote! Get ready to lose either way! DAYUM!
Oh, and another thing, all of the scare tactics as far as listing Obama's middle name, calling him a Muslim or the anti-Christ, and saying that the Muslims are gonna destroy this country from the inside out are all tired, tired, and more tired! Hell, let you tell it, Obama chose his own name. My husband was born into a Muslim household (BTW, not all Muslims are terrorists and looking to kill us), has a stereotypically Muslim first and middle name. Should I be alarmed that he is going to destroy our children and me? Oh and I have what is considered a Hispanic first name and a French middle name. Am I an illegal immigrant who hates you {in my best French accent} silly Americans and will spit on you as you walk past..patooey!
McCain is old, we get that.