Posted by Riptide on May 22, 2008 at 7:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JohnQ…

I’m with you brother. Those 600 dummies need to go a re-education camp and see the light of their misdirected ways. The idea of challenging the protest students and faculty members can not be tolerated. Once Barack Obama becomes president, heads are going to roll. The federal Department of Education needs to be expanded and offices opened in every city to deal with kind of problem. Not only that, Barack Obama needs to get the United Nations involved on the problem of racism in this country and conduct major investigations and possible trials by the International Court.

Posted by Early on May 22, 2008 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well done gentleman, well done! I applaud your patriotism and dedication We the people elected Bush so we will at least respect the position of President of the United States of America. faculty of Furman, how dare you influence the young minds of the students that way. I can see by the number of signatures that was your intent.
these are the young minds of the future and need to make their own minds up. Back off!

Posted by greyrider on May 22, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is America. This is a university. The obvious resolution is to let the President speak and then let the two groups send representatives for a debate. They can sell tickets and give the money to a charity that serves the families of our fallen soldiers.

Posted by Edwin435 on May 22, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Riptide, I hope your statement was a wonderful piece of satire. I applaud you Rip Tide if it was.....

Posted by Larz13 on May 22, 2008 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Way to go lazy slacker professors in their ivory towers working 4 hours a day for 8 months of the year. They are there because most cannot succeed in private business for one reason or another. Perhaps JohnQ is one of them? If BHO becomes president, look for $6 a gallon gas, higher unemployment and higher interest rates (remember Jimmy Carter), not to mention appeasing terrorists.

Posted by icbmman on May 22, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Absolutely, Riptide. To think that these students could be so dumb as to support a war criminal like Bush...it just wreaks of insanity. Evidently, the wisdom of Furman's faculty didn't reach into these kids' thick skulls, and now the students are showing their idiocy by backing Bush.

Indeed, Bush should be tried for war crimes. He and his administration are responsible for the deaths of thousands of Iraqi citizens and our military. We have no business fighting terrorists, and to do so is morally wrong.

I think the faculty should discipline these students appropriately to shut them up.

Posted by ed52 on May 22, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

john , , I am with you . don't they know free speech is only for liberals. the nerve of them . lets imprison some , line others up on the wall and shoot them the way our socialist brothers would do . where are stalin ,hitler ,and saddam when you need them.

Posted by LowcountryMoose on May 22, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't understand what those protesting Bush are complaining about. A few years back, I paid about 50 bucks a pop for the wife and I to go see Jerry Seinfeld at the Gaillard. These kids are going to get a top-notch comedy show for free.

Posted by RTC on May 22, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Um, I'm sure that all of the students at Furman are all SC residents.
These 600 students have the right to voice their opinions as well as the ones that are in opposition. It is their constitutional right to do so, whether people agree or not.

Posted by TP on May 22, 2008 at 10:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i have no idea who's being legit and who is full of sh-t on this tread.

Agree, Bush speaking would be a comedy show. I think even his staunchest supporters deep down inside realize this guy is a complete wad, but they'll never admit it. Those in the 'middle' of the Republican party hopped off the Bush bandwagon long ago.

Posted by inthelowcountry on May 22, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Larz13, A poor college experience, perhaps? My college professors were some of the most hardworking, not to mention intelligent and caring people I've met. Shame on you for assuming that professors go on a 4-month vacation. In fact many professors work with students year-round, teaching summer classes, pursuing grant work, and writing scholarly articles. What makes you think they'd ever want to be in private business? I've never met a professor who wasn't there for the love of learning and teaching. But it's easier for you to bash these professors because they have an opinion that you don't agree with, isn't it? Try a little education yourself.

Posted by ed52 on May 22, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh it's sooo easy to bash pres. Bush . Because he didn't run a perfect war we know he is not all knowing. That being said , I can't even imagine the condition we would be in if al Gore would have won. friends thats SCARY!!!!

Posted by onoitsono on May 22, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

John Q...I take offense to your post. My son goes to Furman and was educated here in SC. I was raised elsewhere. If you don't think this is a place to raise children why are you here?

To call for Bush to be tried for war crimes, is a bit much. Are you even from this country originally? Yes it is fine to disagree and not like the policies of a sitting president but you should still respect the office. You think Bill Clinton upheld that office any better? Monica Lewinsky ring a bell?

I am sure I don't have to remind you of what happened on Sept. 11th. Or do you think our government had a hand in that too? I can tell you this I would rather be fighting them in their backyard than ours!!

War is not pretty...but sometimes necessary...and those who died did not die in vain.

Spitting in the face of a person is a way to show your anger? I am sure you would just rather settle it with a plain ole fist fight...sounds right up your alley.

Lastly why don't you put your name to your comments...if you can't wait to see the names of those who disagree with you?

Riptide...if you think Barack Obama is the answer...then we are in trouble!! That is another post all together.

--Shawn Matticks

Posted by Test2007 on May 22, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Umm yes we are comparing WAR to oral sex AGAIN. I am sorry buddy but there is definitely no comparison.

Kid, September 11th had NADA to do with the war in Iraq. That my dear is common knowledge now. War is not pretty and sometime it IS necessary but I don't think this one is but hey if you feel like it is then maybe you should sign up for the front lines Shawn.

The whole "we're fighting over there so it won't happen here line" is complete done. I feel like you were in coma since 2001 and just woke up. Geez. Oh, and yes I am from this country originally.

Ed52 - you just said said Bush wasn't all knowing. Very true. So how the hell do you know what Gore would have done?? Are you all knowing?

Posted by Early on May 22, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I say we invite the President of Iran to speak as he has done recently, would that make you happy.
I say,,,,you might not like what Bush has done but you SHOULD respect the Presidential position he holds.

I hope he does not come, I see another embarrassment for SC coming!

Posted by Test2007 on May 22, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PS I am usually a fan of sarcasm but seriously the sarcasm on this board is sub par at best.

Posted by SCdeacinNYC on May 22, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I support free speech. Everyone's free speech, no matter what they believe in they should be able to voice it. Both groups should have equal voices.

Early, we can still respect the man's position and actively protest and criticize him. This is what it means to be an American. We have the right to hold our leaders accountable for the decisions they've made in our country's name and further danger they've put us in. There's only so far respecting an office can go. We have this idea of "enshrined" political offices that is only akin to what it's like in some dictatorships. It is not rude or disrespectful to state your disagreement with a leader in a petition or to protest his appearance at an event. Faculty nor anyone should be forced to attend the commencement. The conservative group should be allowed to voice their support for the President on an equal forum as well, though I doubt anyone is disagreeing with that.

I applaud Furman University (where I thought about attending college...and had many friends go) for its professionalism and fairness in this situation.

Oh and by the way, I agree with test, let's stop comparing a Lewinsky to an on-going war in Iraq which will probably end on a "draw" at best and a Nippon/Germany/Korea style neverending military occupation. That is NO where near the same thing.

Posted by SCdeacinNYC on May 22, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

oh I used Nippon because the I got a ridiculous error message:

Watch your mouth! The words "j-p" are not allowed here.

Posted by Test2007 on May 22, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If I don't like what he has done, why should I respect his position?

Not being funny. Seriously though, answer the question.

Posted by Riptide on May 22, 2008 at 12:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

onoits...

First, we not govern by our constitution anymore and besides it was thought up by a bunch white guys anyway. Barack Obama is our hope and he’s in favor of change. There’s no need for us to worry about the details, we all need to place our faith in his wisdom and he will act in our best interest. This idea of working for yourself and your family is foolish. The wealth we create and earn need to be shared with the world via United Nations. Don’t worry, the wealth you people create will be administered by the best minds the UN has to offer. Remember Obama is all about hope and change. Support Obama’s Global Tax Bill S.2433 that is now on the floor of the senate. There are third world governments that depend on you working and creating wealth, now get back to work.

Posted by SCdeacinNYC on May 22, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I will defer to Test's comments about bad satire.

Posted by eyfigueroa on May 22, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

call me clueless, but i'm having a difficult time telling who's being sarcastic and who's not.

not you scdeacinyc. lolol

Posted by onoitsono on May 22, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Test2007 so you changed your name, from John Q.? You are not the same person.

And this war does have everything to do with 9/11. It is a war on terrorism...we (the government and not just GWB) thought Hussein had wmd...so we were wrong...you don't think liberating a country from a ruthless dictator a good use of our military? Then perhaps we should have never involved ourselves in the European’s fight against Hitler.

You are right oral sex and war are not comparable, but lying to the American public is...if you call GW reasons for war a lie. And bringing disgrace to the office of the presidency are comparable, if you believe GW is a disgrace to the office.

I served my country when I was able...how about you? If I were still under the age limit I guarantee you I would have signed up again!! It is a fight in their backyard!!

Again I love how people will openly criticize someone when they can hide behind the anonymity of a pseudonym. Attach your name to your comments...stand up for what you believe in and don't hide behind a false moniker.
--Shawn Matticks

Posted by SCdeacinNYC on May 22, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

eyfigueroa, I agree with you and YES you know where I stand by now! :)

Posted by Test2007 on May 22, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You must be new. I don't know who John Q is outside of this board. I do remember it was a pretty good movie with Denzel a few years back.

You kind of contradicted yourself too.

"And this war does have everything to do with 9/11. It is a war on terrorism...we (the government and not just GWB) thought Hussein had wmd...so we were wrong...you don't think liberating a country from a ruthless dictator a good use of our military?"

Didn't you just say that this was a war on terror but then you skipped to the point about "liberating" a country from a dictator. hmmm.

I already told you before. Lying about a war and lying about oral sex is NOT, I repeat, is NOT the same thing. Did anyone die while Monica was going down (besides her own dignity)?

Another thing, Saddam was a ruthless dictator who would not have had power if we hadn't previously supported him.
He was not a terrorist. You must mean Osama bin Laden (who is still alive and kicking) or the hijackers (who are from Saudi Arabia = friends of Bush family). Please please please know the difference between a terrorist and a dictator.

Also, if we are in the business of liberating countries from dictators why not do it in the dozens of other countries ruled by dictators?

Shawn Matticks - The purpose of this board is to allow for complete anonymity. I doubt you will get many folks who will tell you their full name. I don't even like giving my full name over the phone. This is an internet board. If you saw me in person I would state my opinion the same way I am now. Just because it is on the internet does not mean I don't stand by what I say. That is for wimps. So no, you are not going to goad me into giving you my real name. What you need to do is get over it. If you want a real live debate where everyone knows who the other person is, then I suggest you find a club or group in your community that has political discussions and stay off the internet.

Posted by Riptide on May 22, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The problem you people are having is that you lack score cards. You need to get rid of this idea of individuals and individual rights. People are placed in compartments or groups. Yes there are individuals within these groups but all individuals must submit or subordinate their individual rights to the collective right of the group. You can see the confusion with all these individual rights when all you need one collective right. I realize it may be confusing with all these group rights competing with each other. That’s why the government will provide you with score cards. Each day you will know who has more rights than another group. Allow me to illustrate my point. We have two individuals competing for the democrat ticket. On one side we have a black guy and on the other we have a white woman. Forget about the value of the individual and what that individual will bring to the office of the presidency. It’s not about that, it’s about a woman and the color of a man skin. Without a score card you'll won't be able to select the right one.

You guys need to go to a re-education camp and get your minds right. November is not that far away.

Also we need to get the international court involved with the crimes committed by Bush. We can't leave it up to congress to do it.

Posted by JohnS on May 22, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Many college professors do say about John McCain is Like Bush they hope McCain will keep his word and not drill for oil on any Federal lands or dam up any river. The enviroment needs to be left alone for wildlife. It does not matter if if gas goes to $8.00 to $10.00 a gallon. People in Europe are already paying $11.00 plus a gallon now.

Posted by ColdBeer on May 22, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank You, President Bush, for the 8 years you have served this country as President of the United States. You've made some mistakes, yes, and no, I don't like you quite as much as I did 8 years ago, but I feel you served this country better than any of the alternatives would have. Lives have been lost in our wars, but I feel that your decisive actions have most certainly saved many more lives right here on our own soil. You have done quite a bit to restore the dignity of the Office of President that your predecessor blew away (well, actually, it was Monica that did the actual blowing). We will move on. Hopefully John McCain will be an even better President than you were. Your efforts, however, are appreciated by the citizens of the United States of America.

Posted by onoitsono on May 22, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

By the way G.W is not my hero(he is my President and afforded the respect that is due his office), and I don't spew the line from the right... My whole beef with this line of posts was John Q's original statement

"These 600 dummies are obviously a product of the South Carolina education system. No one else could be so ignorant as these pandering brain dead jerks."

I suspect that John Q doesn't realize that of the entire Furman population only 28% came from SC that leaves a majority from elsewhere. John Q. probably doesn't know that the Freshman class had an average gpa of 3.68. I am tired of outsiders...John Q....putting down SC...if you think it is so bad here leave.

Shawn Matticks

Posted by Early on May 22, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My how we love to hate!

Posted by greyrider on May 22, 2008 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Al Queda in Iraq in the 1990's - "Look, here comes Saddam! We better hide so he doesn't see us!"

Posted by Riptide on May 22, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There is nothing wrong with high gasoline prices. We celebrate high prices and the misery that comes with it. Without high gasoline prices there is no way we can put the middle class into poverty. We’re not concern about finding solutions to this problem. Every day we work hard to put more restrictions on these corporations. China can drill off our shores and Russia can screw up their environment but we’re not concern about them and nor should you. I realize our companies are more environmental friendly and more efficient than any corporation in the world but they are still evil. You people need to rid yourself of Christianity and start worshipping Mother Earth. Also get rid of this concept of conservation and convert to environmentalism. In addition to the above the sun has nothing to do with global warming, it’s evil people like you that is screwing up the planet. Now all you conservatives, just go away.

Posted by ColdBeer on May 22, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL

Posted by Newt on May 22, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh My! Didn't we already cover this topic a couple of weeks ago? Pretty much the same ole same ole!

Bush IS an idiot, there were no WMD's, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and I lift my leg to pee when it's on a big BUSH!

I think that covers everything:)

Posted by TP on May 22, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Riptide- are you loaded right now?

Posted by FiscalConservative on May 22, 2008 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bush should be tried on war crimes charges---he should have just nuked that whole decrepit sandbox back to the stone-age. Bush sucks because he spent too much money. We need to get back to true fiscal conservatism. Les taxes and less spending on stupid gov't programs. I like how people think that the gov't can run health care efficiently when it has done such a great job on everything else.---Sorry, I got off topic---Why would you not want to have a president speak? I wouldn't have minded having clinton come to my graduation when he was president. I respect the office.

Posted by ColdBeer on May 22, 2008 at 3:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The President signs a Letter of Commendation for anyone that retires from the military with 20 or more years of service. I stayed in until Clinton was out of office so that I would not have his signature on my letter.

Politics go that way... just like religion, you're not going to change anyone's mind and there will always be arguments.

Two t-shirts I love to see though:

Hillary Sucks! (but not as good as Monica)

and (for the ladies)

I hate Bush so much I shaved mine!

Posted by TP on May 22, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I saw a good one in NC last week:

"Bush pull out, like your father should have!"

Posted by Test2007 on May 22, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lets restore dignity by starting a war. Give me a break. I don't care who he is. I am not kissing his behind just because he has a title. If you want to, fine. Coldbeer, I don't care how neutral you try to sound you most definitely are not. Anyone who equates a blowjob to war created by a blowhard is an idiot. Point blank. Continue thanking that idiot.

No thank you bud. I would like to thank the MEN AND WOMEN of our military. The people who are truly doing their jobs everyday. I respect THEM. Bush can jump off a bridge for all I care.

Posted by TP on May 22, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They don't have anything else, Test2007. They're a bunch of hypocrites; Keep sucking this president's peter, folks. I love the guys that come on here and talk about Bush like they have something in common with him, or feel that he in any way cares about them or their 'religious values' or there well being. You all got duped. Twice!

I'd take a hummer from Lewinsky in heartbeat over continually getting bent over by this administration. It's hard to watch middle class, blue collar religious Bush supporter guy keep getting f-cked by this administration, yet they keep begging for more and blaming the Democrats? So can i go ahead and piss down your backs and tell you it's raining? Same difference, really.

Posted by greyrider on May 22, 2008 at 3:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Personally, I'd like to thank President Bush for engaging in a war that he knew would be unpopular, but one that I am convinced that will be viewed 20 years from now as a good idea. I had to live with Commander Clinton when I was in the Air Force, and althought I thought him the worst President we ever had and a disgrace, I always said "BUT, the people elected him" Same goes on both sides of the aisle. We vote, we live with the results. Politics is an ugly arena. Too many "good guys" stay away. I'd love to see JC Watts as President.

Posted by Test2007 on May 22, 2008 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Also, Bush being an idiot is my opinion. Nothing can change that. His reasons for going to war, the lying etc.. Facts buddy. We were all there.

Posted by Test2007 on May 22, 2008 at 3:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lol TP

Posted by Newt on May 22, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

John Q - yes Shawn is an idiot! He is a Kool Aid drinker just like anyone who thinks Bush is relevant anymore!

Posted by Riptide on May 22, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TP and Test2007...

I'm with you brothers.

Forget this notion of being energy independent. All our oil, coal, and natural gas are off limits to all you evil republicans. All those things belongs to mother earth not you. It’s not about the wise use of our natural resources but the non use of those resources. In addition to that, forget about nuclear energy, didn’t any of you country bumpkins watch the movie China Syndrome with Jane Fonda. Now that’s one hot looking babe and she also looks good behind an anti-aircraft gun. I know you guys are going to point to those other countries that use nuclear energy but we’re not like other countries. Maybe with the high gasoline prices we can put an end to these damn SUVs.

Posted by greyrider on May 22, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Newt, always remember the old saying "Kool Aid is in the eye of the beholder" ....or something like that.

Unfortunately the new motto of American Politics has become "The lesser of two evils". In 2000 and 2004 Bush was the best we could do. As for 2008....God help us.

Posted by myturn on May 22, 2008 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Most of you seem to not grasp the situation. Furman faculty were hired to teach and mentor students. Students have the right on any campus to debate each other, while they learn to think critically, and discover the world around them. Faculty of course have their opinions on politics and any other item of interest. They tend to show their biases in their teaching, even when they try not to. They should come along students and teach and show them how to debate and argue intelligently. They have taught these Furman students to be tolerant and open minded of those different than them. Now, because their political views are different than the commencement speaker, they are not tolerant or open minded. Their concern is not to practice what they have been preaching to these seniors for 4 years. They wish to make a political statment even if it means not attending graduation to cheer on these seniors. Its okay to not like Bush or to be unhappy about his policies. But, he is the sitting President of our country and he is an invited guest. If you have a problem with that, complain to those that invited him. It is in the faculty's contracts they they are expected at spring commencement. The President of the college, not some dim-witted freshman- invited the President of the Unites States to come to Furman. He consulted with the senior class leaders (all Democrats) who voted unanimously to invite Pres. Bush. Support those seniors and their families---it is their day. Any other day can be a day to make their political opinions know. Not graduation day for "their" seniors.

Posted by Test2007 on May 22, 2008 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

riptide - I thought we cleared this up already. Your sarcasm is sub par. Try again.

Posted by Riptide on May 22, 2008 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Test2007...

You got me wrong...I'm really trying to be like you guys. We're brothers aren't we?

Posted by greyrider on May 22, 2008 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You are my brother! Best friends forever !!!

Posted by ColdBeer on May 22, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Please excuse my language:

JohnQ, you're about one stupid son of a bitch. I protected your freedom for 21 years and you want to talk to me that way about MY service to this country? 21 years on fast attack, nuclear powered submarines and you want to talk to me that way?

FYI, the first time we went to war with Iraq, my submarine was undergoing an overhaul here in Charleston. I volunteered to go to Kuwait and run the distillation plants so that I could contribute. My request was denied. The Navy doesn't send its nuclear trained engineering people to operate land based systems. The second war had not even started when I retired so staying in to help the effort wasn't really an option, was it?

I totally understand differences of opinions when it comes to politics, but for you to make the comments you made to me and my service to this country is totally uncalled for.

You're a mighty big man behind your keyboard aren't you? The only problem is you don't realize how small your keyboard use makes you look. A s s h o l e .

Posted by TP on May 22, 2008 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Riptide- does your dad know you're gay?

Posted by myturn on May 22, 2008 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nothing they have written says whether they support Bush or not. It says they support the seniors at Furman.

Posted by TP on May 22, 2008 at 4:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Amen, JohnQ. Where was commander George during Vietnam? Blowing coke lines off hookers' asses. All hail!

Posted by Riptide on May 22, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Now TP…where is your sensitivity to our gay brothers and sisters? As a group they have rights too. I don’t have my score card now but I’m sure they have more rights than republicans and that is a good thing.

Posted by Riptide on May 22, 2008 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JohnQ, TP, Test2007.....

Imagine a world without capitalists, conservatives, Christians, Jews or republicans. Wouldn’t you want to live a world like that. That would be Utopia.

Posted by Test2007 on May 22, 2008 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

riptide - For the last time. Your sarcasm sucks.

Posted by Riptide on May 22, 2008 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Test...

I got feeling you're not happy with me? Wouldn't you want to live in a world with no conservatives, capitalists, Christians, Jews or republicans?

Posted by Riptide on May 22, 2008 at 5:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I’m sorry…it just hit me. We need conservatives, Christians, Jews, and republicans in case something goes wrong we can always put the blame on someone. Don’t worry boss..I’m shaking the bush.

Posted by ColdBeer on May 23, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JohnQ, I need to apologize for my last post yesterday. I feel your comments were way out of line, but so were mine and I apologize for the name calling. No, I don't think I'm the only person that's ever served in the military. I served with MANY great men and women. If you too served, I thank you for your service. Quite honestly, I don't believe you did, but I'm not going to argue with you about it.

I know all too well that you sometimes post with no other intention than to piss people off and I should not have been drawn in by that. I lowered myself to your level and once again, I apologize for my statements.

Posted by icbmman on May 23, 2008 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Geez, I love satire.

Riptide, the funny thing is that once you start partaking of the other side's view, you actually feel like you're losing brain cells. The best I could muster was that first statement! :)