Posted by Harpo on May 9, 2008 at 2:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Two toddlers .. one child seat. Use of restraints unknown.
One injured adult (not identified). Sad story. Condolences
to the Millan family.

Posted by CedarPosts on May 9, 2008 at 4:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I-26 has become a highway stupidity and death. Another very sad accident.

You can expect SHP to start another speeding crack down soon.

Posted by moonpie on May 9, 2008 at 6:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It appears this is another incident where illegals have no regard for our law.
Very sad no matter what.

Posted by BulldogTLC on May 9, 2008 at 7:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Moonpie, not mention that they were illegals. No need for that kind of negativity. This is a very sad situation. My thoughts and prayers go out to this family.

Posted by Hey_U_Guys on May 9, 2008 at 7:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Moonpie: It doesn't say if they were illegal, but it sure does seem like a lot of "Hispanics" have been losing their lives on our roads lately. Ashley Phosphate, I26, Redbank Road, Rhett......Whether they are crossing the streets by foot or by vehicle, they have been causing accidents all over the place.

Posted by number1volsfan1 on May 9, 2008 at 7:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A senseless death is especially tragic when children are involved. My prayers to the family during their time of grief.

Legal or not, parents need to "wise-up" in regard to the safety of their children.

Posted by suec on May 9, 2008 at 7:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A very sad story. I m not sure how a person could ever recover emotionally.
The Post Courier needs to stay away from this family. Riding by their house hoping to get a story is just sickening.

Posted by ChrisPia on May 9, 2008 at 7:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My Heart and Prayers Go out to The Family...May the Angels comfort her on her way to Heaven..RIP.

Posted by jca on May 9, 2008 at 8:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

stupidity kills and i agree with moonpie.

my husband slows down when ever mexican drivers get near us they scare him to death. they speed cut you off and flip you off if you pass them. and they will ride up on your back him and clip your bumper then speed past before you can get their tag number or anything to id them

ship all of them back

use your head people children under 8 have to be in a car seat. over 5 use a booster with a back and the adult seat belt

these morons need to be charged with murder and child abuse those were babies and both were ejected which means neither was in a safety seat. irresponsibility kills protect the kids you make and deport these illegal morons we all know they were stats prove that 95 percent of all mexicans in this country are here illegally

Posted by Early on May 9, 2008 at 8:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

IF, the children were not properly restrained it would be a horrible time left on earth for the mother and grandmother. The thought of losing a child because you didn't take the time to properly restrain would be hell on earth.
I'm am very sorry for your loss, make you find comfort in your time of mourning.

Posted by ColdBeer on May 9, 2008 at 8:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My condolences to the family. This is a horrible loss. Having said that, if the kids were not in the required safety restraints, the driver needs to be held accountable.

I haven't had any problems on the roads with Hispanics in general. In my experience, they drive very slowly, usually slower than the flow of traffic. The speed that they drive always makes me wonder if they are illegal and doing their best not to draw attention to themselves. I have had two of my employees involved in accidents with illegal aliens that did not have insurance or a driver’s license. In both cases, it was a simple bump in the rear at a stop sign.

People talking and/or texting on cell phones while driving pose a MUCH greater risk to my safety than a hispanic driver. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Hispanic driver on a cell phone.

Posted by seriouslyb4real on May 9, 2008 at 8:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

illegal aliens are taking over the low country, and our highways.
when are the law makers going to wake up about this issue, and send them back to their home land.
we as americans don't like it and will not tolerate stupidity on our roads that we make a living on.

Posted by uniequnough on May 9, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is an extremely sad story. I can't imagine loosing a child, especially if it were my fault because I didn't restrain them in a car seat. My condolences to the family.

Not sure how this became an issue of illegal/legal mexican's though.

Posted by jk_newhard on May 9, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

First, if the family owns a restaurant, it is unlikely they are here illegally. Second, there are bad Hispanic drivers and bad native-citizen drivers – I haven’t noticed a particular propensity for bad driving among Hispanics and I live in N. Charleston. If laws were broken (and by the facts as presented it appears they may well have been), punish the offenders to the extent the law allows.

My third point is a plea…

The deportation of illegal aliens seems to me to be a reasonable position. The rhetoric of its advocates, however, is making me rethink that position.

The words many advocates of deportation use scream so loudly I can no longer hear what they say. I hear increasing amounts of racist stereotyping (not overt racism – there is a difference) and dehumanizing rhetoric and it chills something in my soul. I have spoken with friends and I am not alone in my feelings.

Please, please think before you speak. The United States of America has long stood as a beacon of respect for human rights and the dignity of the individual. We aren’t perfect – there are blots on our record and our understanding has evolved and continues to evolve. But for the sake of Our Country, think before you speak.

Posted by Satanssybil2007 on May 9, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

2 inncoent children, one now gone and one who knows. If there really was only one child seat in the car then I hope the mother, who is the responsible parent on the scene gets the maximum. I could not live with the guilt i would have knowing i killed my own child!

Posted by konphidence on May 9, 2008 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i can not believe some of the comments on this blog. a person has lost their child or children! the only thing i hear is "send them back", "illegals". I guess you all think that if you see a hispanic then you automatically think the worst. i am so sick of this stuff in the low country. Racist azzez here are incredible. yes, we need a immigration bill or something but hispanics are the "new negroes" in the south. it is very sad state we are living in...... please just have something in your hearts other than hate. damn!

Posted by ColdBeer on May 9, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Satanssybil2007, while I agree that the mother should be held responsible, it is the driver of the vehicle that actually IS responsible, in the eyes of the law, for ensuring that occupants meet restraint requirements.

Posted by keepinitreal on May 9, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Amen jk. The only real Americans are the Native Indians, so everyone else needs to go back if that's your line of thinking. Please stop stereotyping, they just want a chance to taste the pie just like everyone else. They just happen to be the last ones trying to make it inside the door when the room is already filled.

Posted by grannyofsix on May 9, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

moonpie how the hell do you know they are illegal they own their own restaurant I don't think they could do that if they were illegal get a grip

Posted by wpc3iop on May 9, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What a shame...I'm sorry for the family involved.

Posted by Girleygirl on May 9, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow what are yall reading! I thought the article said something about the vehicle's tire. I did not know her legal status or speed caused such a terrible accident. Thanks for pointing that out for me because this is what I read....

"Drivers told sheriff's deputies that something appeared to go wrong with a tire on the 1991 Oldsmobile Cutlass,..."

Show tact people one child is dead and another is trying to survive. Not every Hispanic you see is illegal especially ones that own a business.

I hope the Milan family can heal. I don't know what I would be able to do if I lost any of my babies...

Posted by easytiger on May 9, 2008 at 9:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

if those children had BOTH been in proper car seats + restraints, they would have both remained in the car + quite possibly, uninjured.

i work with car seat safety every single day + know that if they were both in the correct car seat, this would be a different story. this means that both bases would have to be properly installed as well as for the children to be fastened in correctly. if they both were, they both would have remained in the car.

these two women, despite their grief, nationality, legality or anything else, should be charged with negligence in the death of the little girl + severe injury of the little boy. we are much too tolerant when these things happen.
it does not take a rocket scientist to know that driving is very dangerous (anywhere!) + to not follow basic guidelines for your child's safety is absolutely ridiculous + needs to be punished to the fullest extent.

Posted by oldglory on May 9, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ColdBeer
jk_newhard
konphidence
keepinitreal
grannyofsix
girleygirl
easytiger

I stand with y'all. It is so aggravating to read the news only to find blatant racial comments unconnected to the item. Such comments do allow us to see how pervasive ignorance is in SC. I always hesitate to (Suggest removal) as all are entitled to their opinions, but spouting racism is just plain ol' hatred and ignorance.

Posted by RTC on May 9, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is totally heartbreaking.
Their legal status has nothing to do with this story.
These were two innocent babies, and one is gone.
Would the same comments be made if their last names were Smith or Gaillard?
Properly restraining your children is the responsibility of ALL people. I am sure that this family is suffering from the worst pain possible right now.
My thoughts and prayers go out to them all.

Posted by techu2 on May 9, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Some of the people on here are clearly hateful... I can assure you that if you have ever had to package, load and work over a child to try save his/her life- you would not worry if the child in hispanic, black or purple--- here legally or not. A child's life was lost- thank god some of you don't work for fire/ems.

Posted by wallytowngrl on May 9, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It is such a shame that a child had died and SOME people think it is a time to bash ethnic groups first I am pretty sure they are legal here they own a restaurant. And moonpie, its time you read the whole story before you make a statement it could enlighten you. My heart and prayers go out to the family. I am sure they are really feelinga lot of hurt an guilt at this time. May God bless them and help see them through this horrid time.

Posted by eyfigueroa on May 9, 2008 at 9:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Moonpie: your comment was very presumptuous. Their last names are no different than mine. If you substituted their names with mine (Figueroa) would you, jca, seriouslyb4real or anyone else like you people, would you say the same asinine thing?

Y’alls bigotry/prejudice is so overwhelmingly apparent this morning. You three have given me a headache.

As far as the grandmother and mother is concerned, if it is found that either one or both of the children weren’t properly restrained, then both of them should be held responsible for the death and injuries of the babies. If that isn’t the case then it was just a horrible accident like the tens of thousand of others that occur on American roads every year.

Regardless, the pain suffered by the immediate and extended family is very real. Losing a child is never expected or easy to deal with.

Instead of turning this tragedy into some sort of Anti Illegal Immigrant Political Rally, how about we all say a prayer for the family. Hopefully someone out there uses this as a cautionary tale about using appropriate child restraints when in a vehicle.

Posted by greyrider on May 9, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm as anti-illegal immigration as anyone, but forget politics for minute and go hug your kids...even if they're brats.

Posted by reality_woman on May 9, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Shame on you for even bringing up illegal status here.
We all should be saddend when the life of a poor innocent child dies.

Posted by you_know_me on May 9, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

AMEN Girleygirl....

Thank you for recongnizing that this is an issue of a faulty tire because I read the same story you did....

I pray that the family can heal and find some sort of peace.

Posted by allwoman on May 9, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

All I can say about most of the posts right now is wow!!!!! The hatred that is spewing from the keyboards of many of you is overwhelming. It seems that some did not read past the family's last name to get the facts in the story! Hatred can be blinding and cause major ignorance!

Posted by LowcountryMoose on May 9, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The tires were still inflated after the accident. That pretty much rules out the "tire problem" lie. I, sadly, suspect the the unrestrained victim and an unskilled driver had everything to do with this tragedy.

Posted by Girleygirl on May 9, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lowcountry- The family did not say anthing about the tire though...other drivers did. How could other drivers lie for them if they saw the same thing?

CARSEATS SHOULD BE MANDATORY FOR ALL CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF SEVEN!!!!

Posted by allwoman on May 9, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LCM:
Some people's tires do lock up on them. I have had it happen to me before. That is a very scary thing.

Posted by archdude on May 9, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't know that you can say a faulty TIRE when they are still inflated when authorities arrive. The reconstruction has to happen to figure it all out.

If other drivers saw some wobbling or something of that nature, a problem with the WHEEL, it is most probable that the car has some front end suspension issue (tie rod end, CV joint, ball joint breakage, etc). Unfortunately, since many people do not differentiate between a TIRE and a WHEEL when they speak, it will take until after the reconstruction for folks to know exactly what, if anything, failed on the vehicle.

Posted by CHRISJIII on May 9, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My condolenses to the family of these children. I hope that the little boy pulls through. Heaven help some of you posters. Hatred and ignorance are ugly things!!!

Posted by JohnS on May 9, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Please be more considerate of the Latino culture. If you went to these countries it is common for children to ride in the car standing. Also seatbelts for adults are usually not worn. They are just carrying on the traditions of their home country. We should be more understanding.

Posted by jca on May 9, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

girlygirl carseats are manadtory for kids under 8 4'9 and 80lbs people choose to ignore that law.

to the one with the last name figuroa i knew a mna with that name he was legal most of the mexicans are illegal face it and they get away with crime

Posted by ColdBeer on May 9, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I feel sorry for the family involved, but I cannot, will not, "understand" why the kids were not in proper restraints.

Posted by Jane on May 9, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Such a tragedy. If only the children had been properly restrained. It sounds like the one child seat that they did have in the car was not even used.
As far as hateful rheteric, I see that more from the illegal aliens than from Americans. I see pictures of their protests telling us to go back to Europe and pictures of them burning our flag and flipping us off.
I am not saying these folks were illegal, just commenting on a few of the posts.
By the way, illegal is not a race.

Posted by LowcountryMoose on May 9, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I guess I took the tire thing too literally. It certainly could have been some other wheel-related mechanical failure. I am really just disillusioned about the evidence that there was only one child seat in the car. That's some real criminal negligence if I've ever seen it.

Posted by jkjb3 on May 9, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Since this ran, the little boy has since died. This story is the kind that makes you feel like throwing up. We know the family would do it over if they had the chance. And, painfully for them, they wont. Hind-sight is always 20/20. BUCKLE OUR BABIES UP PROPERLY, PEOPLE! When they are gone, that is it. We only get one chance to love them that much! My condolences to this family, and others who have lost a child along the way due to something that may have been avoidable.

Posted by eyfigueroa on May 9, 2008 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jca: your comment not only doesn't make sense, it far from answers my question to you.

You automatically assumed that these people were illegal aliens. Since their photos aren't posted I assumed you made that assumption solely based on their names. My point is that my name is Latin in origin and I asked you and your like minded cohorts if you would make the same assumption if my name was substituted for theirs. If it was I that was in that accident then you would be VERY wrong about my legal status. For not only am I natural born citizen, I am a decorated Army combat veteran. I couldn't be a better American citizen if I tried. Yet you would have labeled me an ‘ILLEGAL’. Your supposition is made of bigotry and prejudice and I called you and your like minded buddies out on it.

• Though most illegals are Hispanic, they are not all Mexican.
• Not all people with Hispanic names are Mexican.
• Other than committing the initial crime of coming across the border sans visa, most illegals don’t continue to commit crimes. Though there are many who do.
• Out of the illegal aliens living in the US only 65% are Hispanic the rest are Asian, Eastern European, Caribbean and African. There is also a small percentage of Caucasian aliens who live here under the radar after their initial visas expired

YOU PEOPLE, yes I said it, irritate me to know end. I wholeheartedly agree that there is a serious problem with the illegal aliens coming across the border en mass and those who come here legally and then overstay their welcome in order to take advantage of our way of life. Something MUST be done and done soon before our society develops ills that no legislation could cure.

But to use this article to spew your bigoted venom is low even for YOU PEOPLE.

Posted by suec on May 9, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Seat belts and car seats have not been the norm in this country for that long.

How many of you grew up with out either?

I remember riding with my Grandaddy while standing up on the seat and his truck had a metal dashboard!

Until it becmae the law here, most people didn't use any safety restraints for themselves or children. Now it is second nature.

Posted by allwoman on May 9, 2008 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Very well said Eyfig!

Posted by ColdBeer on May 9, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

eyfigueroa, I agree with your post all accept for one part. People that are here illegally do continue to commit crimes on a daily basis. They are usually here to work. They are working with out paying taxes. That is a crime. Many of them also drive to support working and they do so without a license or insurance.

I would never make the assumption that someone is here illegally based on their race... or their name. But if they are here illegally, they are committing crimes.

As I said earlier though, that whole conversation really has nothing to do with this article and I'm done with that part of the thread.

Posted by allwoman on May 9, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

suec:

I agree with you on that. I remember riding in the front seat between my grandparents and never using a seatbelt, carseat, or booster seat when I was growing up. But that was when they knew how to build real cars. These toys they build today are not as safe as the ones we rode in 20 years ago. Like the commercial said, "It ain't your daddy's Olds Mobile!"

Posted by eyfigueroa on May 9, 2008 at 11:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jane: American citizens have been burning the American flag in various protests for many decades now. One of the unfortunate 'benefits' of our 1st Amendment rights.

Personally I find it offensive no matter who may do it. I don't see too many hispanics on THIS BOARD making horrible assumptions about people with 'American' names. Actually quite the opposite.

Posted by grannyofsix on May 9, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BRAVO Eyfig from granyofsix+1

Posted by Girleygirl on May 9, 2008 at 12:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

TO JCA-

"South Carolina state law requires that babies ride rear-facing in a federally approved car seat until they are at least one year old and weigh at least 20 pounds. Children ages 1 to 5 who weigh 20 to 40 pounds must ride in a car seat. South Carolina law further requires that children under age 6 who weigh 40 to 80 pounds must use a booster seat, and children under age 6 may not ride in the front vehicle seat, unless all rear seating positions are being used by other children, or the vehicle does not have rear seating."

If you know or have anything differently let me know but I got this from the SC DMV.

Posted by Jane on May 9, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was not making horrible assumptions merely commenting on photos I have seen of illegals marching in our streets burning our flag and carrying the flag of their country. That is not assuming. And yes, there are people in this country who hate our country and burn the flag.Wish they would move to another country since they hate ours so. I have been on other threads where some folks from south of the border were cussing and calling us names and saying they are taking our land back and telling us to go back to Europe. I view a person with an Hispanic name that was born here or came here legally and took the oath of citizenship as Americans. I don't view them as Hispanics. I hope they view themselves as Americans as well.

Posted by The_Mouth_of_the_South on May 9, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There is a corelation between the immigration status of these Hispanics and their driving habits. If you are willing to become a criminal by being here illegally (like most Hispanics), then you have NO respect for our laws one of which states that children MUST be restrained by either a car seat or seat belts. The mother and grandmother are 100% responsible for the death of these children because of their lack of respect for our laws. I hope they throw the book at them.

Posted by Test2007 on May 9, 2008 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Coldbeer - There are citizens here every day who do not pay taxes. I still know people who do not work the typical 9 to 5 and get paid under the table. Yep, that still goes on. As for drivers having no insurance or license, I know a few of those folks too. I won't make the argument that these folks are right because they happen to be legal (citizen by pure accident of birth, meaning they did absolutely nothing to become a citizen but pop out of a birth canal) but I will make the argument that maybe we need to convince our own citizens to start obeying the laws in this manner as well (cue in Wesley Snipes). While I know that simply by being an "illegal" immigrant country means that you are breaking the law, I cannot and will not equate that with other crimes such as murder/rape/pedophilia etc. All crimes are NOT equal.

Oh, and I hope for everyone's sake that no one tries to equate my comments with some inane parallel of "illegal" immigrants and crimes. Lets not do this today.

Posted by Jane on May 9, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with you The Mouth of the South. If the car had gone the other direction, they could have killed other people as well. Some of the folks from south of the border have never even driven before and come here and get a car and drive. I do wonder how many illegals bother to have their car checked for problems and repairs as well. I for the life of me cannot understand why these precious children were not buckled in.

Posted by jkjb3 on May 9, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DID YOU READ WHAT I SAID EARLIER?? THE LITTLE BOY HAS DIED NOW! SHUT THE HECK UP ABOUT LEGAL, ILLEGAL, BLACK, WHITE, TAN, WHATEVER!! DO AS GREYRIDER SAID - GO HUG YOUR KID!!! LET THE ONES WHO WERE MEANT TO JUDGE DO THE JUDGING! JUST SHUT THE HECK UP AND LEARN FROM SOMEONE ELSE'S MISTAKES! AND PRAY HARD FOR THIS FAMILY - THEY WOULD DO IT OVER AGAIN IF THEY COULD! WHAT - ARE ALL OF YOU EXEMPT FROM ANY WRONG DOING??? SOME OF YOU THINK YOU ARE "SOLVING THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS".. LITTLE DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE MORE THAN LIKELY THE ONE CAUSING THEM! ATLEAST AGGRAVATING THEM! DAMN!

Posted by UrGatorbait on May 9, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The bigotry is back, mention mexican and the pavlovian response they're illegals, ship 'em back, they have no regard for our laws, they break the laws daily blah and blah ad infinitum. What a bunch of sad people still looking to blame somebody or relish in some one else's misery. Kids are dead, like Greyrider said, go hug yours.

How many locals break the law daily?

How many dimwit locals impact trees, drive drunk, rob stores commit crimes?

Because of your hate and bigotry and desire to spread whatever poison you are spreading, the mexicans get the brunt of your BS. Education helps but in a state ranked near the bottom of the 3 R's scale; attitudes like the ones found on here are no surprise.

Posted by UrGatorbait on May 9, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

eyf,

Dude your comments fall on deaf ears. Some here are blatant hypocrites and bigots.

Yes I relish driving around here. The locals drive like idiots but they get a pass because they are white? Locals here don't take care of their cars either but if their foriegn than it's only them. Yes and all the locals have insurance and licenses. They are all road legal. Pull your heads out of your nether regions. Hold on to your hate. The xenophobic responses here are pathetic. If they had gone the other way, so friggin' what? Shoulda, woulda, coulda Drama queens.

Remember, only Mesicans and latinos break the law. The good ol' boys never do.

Posted by Jane on May 9, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Knock it off. No one said only Mexicans and Latinos are breaking the law. The only people on here calling people names are those of you calling us bigots. I fail to see how wondering if they might be here illegally due to the fact there are alot of Hispanic illegals in that part of town makes us bigots. No one said we aren't bad drivers ourselves and no one said alot of us don't maintain our cars like we should either. The only hate I see on this board are those of you calling us xenophobic, hateful, etc. Knock it off.

Posted by jk_newhard on May 9, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FYI many of the illegal aliens have obtained a legitimate tax ID number and do pay income taxes. This was one of the mechanisms set up to legalize the illegal aliens in the 80's/90's.

Posted by allwoman on May 9, 2008 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jane:

I do see bigotry in many of these posts, from making presumptions of their legal/illegal status to commenting on their "culture." This board is repleat with bigotry whether you can see it or not. Please go back and read the following posts:

Posted by moonpie on May 9, 2008 at 6:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Hey_U_Guys on May 9, 2008 at 7:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by jca on May 9, 2008 at 8:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by seriouslyb4real on May 9, 2008 at 8:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by JohnS on May 9, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by jca on May 9, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by The_Mouth_of_the_South on May 9, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Jane on May 9, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All of them may not have meant "any harm" when posting these things, some hatred, dislike, and bigotry do come across in these posts.

Posted by ColdBeer on May 9, 2008 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Test2007, I agree with your comment 100%. I certainly wasn't trying to imply anything else by my post.

jk_newhard, that sounds odd. Do you have a link where I can read up on this?

Posted by BravesFan on May 9, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Unbelievable. Two babies gone and all you people can do is argue like school kids. In fact, I'm convinced most of you are kids pretending to be adults. A debate about illegal aliens should NOT fall under a story about dead children. What a disgraceful representation of our city/state you have shown.

I pray God is watching over this family. My sincerest condolences go out to you.

Posted by wallytowngrl on May 9, 2008 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

can someone explain how you can get an employee tax number with out proof of who you are? when I got one I had to show SS card and picture ID as well as proof of workman's comp if I was to have employees. of course that was 10 years ago things may have changed

Posted by Jane on May 9, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Allowoman I fail to see how commenting on one's culture is bigotry, but those of you that wish to call us bigots will ocnitnue to do so. I quite frankly think that shows some bigotry with you folks always yelling bigotry. Anyway, I am angry at the mother and grandmother for failing to do the right thing and secure those children regardless of legal status, skin color or ethnicity. The end.

Posted by jk_newhard on May 9, 2008 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is a link to the IRS fact sheet on ITINs (Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers). It is noted on the page that receiving an ITIN doesn't change one's immigration statutus and doesn't allow one to work legally here.

http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0...

Posted by allwoman on May 9, 2008 at 2:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jane, sadly, it is not "The end" because people will continue to have their bigoted views and not see it as such. That is what makes it so bad.

Posted by archdude on May 9, 2008 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The xenophobic normals are at it again I see. Everything is always turned into a race or ethnic battle on here...even when it has not bearing on jack squat. It is just a simply embarrassing way of representing one's self when assumptions and vile preconceptions rule the day.

Maybe some folks on here can eventually learn to think before posting...you know, the critical type of thought that even includes self reflection into all the poster has done and will do wrong. My goodness there are a lot of people who feel free to cast the first stone!

Posted by allwoman on May 9, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

archdude:

Their spokesperson for the day doesn't feel they are being bigots or xenophobes, so thinking is not the issue here.

Posted by JohnS on May 9, 2008 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Riding a child unrestrained is acceptable in Mexico. We should not judge these people for not following our laws as they are only here to work.

Posted by jk_newhard on May 9, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jane, I agree with you that the mom and grandmom should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law if the facts stated in the article are accurate.

The bigotry many are commenting on is taking this tragedy and making assumptions about the family's legal status and making blanket statements about how all illegals/Hispanics are bad drivers and lawbreakers and horrible parents.

It is the linkage from one tragedy to one whole group of people that have the same attributes as any other group of people - there are caring, law-abiding (except for lack of documentation)illegal aliens and there are horrible, law-breaking citizens.

Posted by allwoman on May 9, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jk_newhard

Thanks for taking the time to lay out that explanation.

Posted by eyfigueroa on May 9, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Allwoman: Jane is in serious denial about how her comments are being perceived. She, like several others, made blatant assumptions about a family based solely on their last names. If I hadn’t mentioned my legal status, she would have assumed the same of me.

Apparently having a Hispanic name automatically assumes the negative and not anything positive. Apparently most Hispanics are Mexicans and thereby more than likely here in the United States illegally. Moreover, Hispanics are by far more likely to commit crimes. If my mind was as equally clouded by prejudice I guess her logic would absolutely seem solid to me.

However, such is not the case. She’s watches news bites, reads a few blogs and now everyone with tan skin, dark hair, Hispanic last name is suspect. Lord help them if they have an accent!

Instead of trying to liberate her and the others from these obviously deep-rooted prejudices I will instead will offer up a prayer to the Creator. A prayer that through their zeal of American Patriotism that they not lose sight of the fact that not ALL of us are criminals to be maligned on some terribly written newspaper article comments section.

As many have said before, these women’s citizenship status notwithstanding, if they did not secure those babies in that car then they need to be held responsible for their deaths. Cut and dry. Pure and simple.

Posted by jk_newhard on May 9, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I feel grief for the family and mourn the loss of these children and pray the family will find peace.

Also, if the facts above are accurate, and the mom/grandmother have broken laws they will face judgement in the justice system, which is appropriate. A person is obligated to follow the laws of the country they are in.

Posted by allwoman on May 9, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Eyfig:

Once again, I am in total agreement with you. That is why I said that it is not the end. I know I have said some things about the illegal immigration issue but I try not to make an assumption about all Hispanic people or their "culture". If I do, I try to correct my statement and way of thinking as quickly as I can.

It is terribly sad that people can have that much deep-seated hatred or dislike for an entire group of people based solely on their race/ethnicity. And then they justify it by spouting statistics and, like you said, sound bites from the news.

I will pray right along with you, Ey, that those with bigoted views (whether they realize it or not) will try to see people for who they are and not for their last name, skin color, ethnicity, etc!!!

Posted by ForPnC on May 9, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My condolences on this senseless, tragic loss.

Posted by Chief_SittingBull on May 9, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

EY:
Jane is always clear on her contempt, scorn and [let’s be real] hate for Hispanics. She is a regular on all threads about Hispanics and her posts are ALL the same. It appears that in her mind, Hispanics equates to 'Mexicans' which equates to illegal alien. She has more 'horror stories" about her [and her friends'] experiences with 'Mexicans' than she know what to do with.

If this were the 60's guess who she'd be spewing her hate at...I am not at all sympathetic to illegal aliens, but it frustrates me how people –like Jane the Great-comes across on the issue of illegal aliens and “Mexicans” in general.

Posted by Girleygirl on May 9, 2008 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I stop reading Jane post when she talks about illegals because some of her post are waaaaaaaaaaay out there and besides that she described herself as olive and said her skin color looks green so I started thinking of aliens.....

She talks about illegals and she may be an alien....thus illegal aliens!

I will do the same thing and pray along side with you ladies and pray for the children and the families and I will take Greyrider's advice and kiss my kids

Posted by allwoman on May 9, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Have you made someone happy or made someone sad?

What have you done with the day that you’ve had?

God gave it to you to do just as you would, did you do what was wicked or do what was good?

Did you hand out a smile or just give them a frown?

Did you lift someone up or push someone down?

Did you lighten some load or progress impede?

Did you look for a rose or just gather weed?

What did you do with your beautiful day?

God gave it to you, did you throw it away?

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Posted by seriouslyb4real on May 9, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

these two ladies should be locked up and the warden should throw away the key on these two idiots!
what a waste these two ladies are.

Posted by Mayor on May 9, 2008 at 4:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JCA is a mess. KKK meeting tomorrow night at her house, if her husband can get by the illegals.

She say that 95% of the Mexicans in our country are illegal. Has she ever been west of her trailer?

She is an embarrasment to people who can type.

Posted by hbender1977 on May 9, 2008 at 4:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not being a "regular" on here I do read a lot of the posts without commenting but I couldn't pass up my chance to weigh in. When did this become about "illegal aliens"? People are ASSUMING information when there is nothing out there to back it up. Unless someone knows something I don't. The point is that one probably two children are dead because of safety precautions. Being a mother myself, I can't imagine an existance without my daughter. Surely being "legal" or
"illegal" doesn't change that. Of course I am upset about the "illegal" problem as you call it. However, what this is about is failure to protect those innocent children that we are charged with taking care of by doing things like putting them in a car seat. Personally when I get home tonight I will hug my daughter and thank God for another day I have with her.

Posted by jca on May 9, 2008 at 5:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mayor.

first i dont live in a trailor. i live in an upscale neighborhood in west ashley. i am a stay at home mother to a beautiful child. you dont know me. so shut up you racist bigot

look at all the mexican crime it speaks for itsself, they refuse to learn our lands language they open stores illegally, they pop up and disappear just as fast. their bratty noisy kids run wild every where. i dread going to walmart any more because of this nonsense. my cart has been hit twice by mexicans in the last month who flipped us off yelled spanish swear words and flip us the bird. and sped off. the city of charleston couldnt do anything because all we had was mexican male and blue sedan no damage doen get over it. look around jerk off our state is over run by this illegal freaks they live 20 to one tiny apartment get your head out of the clouds and look around.

this is a sad thing stupidity killed two innocent children

mayor keep my name out of your mouth or you will go to jail what your doing is slander jerk

Posted by jca on May 9, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

girly the info you posted up there somewhere is the same i have too. those precious angels should have been in car seats with five point harnesses. i couldnt imagine putting my 5 year old into the car with out him being in his booster seat. those seats are to save lives

and to who ever said their here to work not follow the laws of the land wrong they came here live her and work they have to follow the laws of the land or go back to where ever they come from

Posted by ForPnC on May 9, 2008 at 6:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mayor - Wow. I see what you mean.

Posted by DawnM on May 9, 2008 at 7:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jca,
I'm sassy, and I live in an upscale neighborhood on James Island (incredibly posh), and I have no problem with Mexican people. People are people, and none of them have tried to hit my shopping cart, lol

Posted by jca on May 9, 2008 at 7:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dawn they hit my car not my shopping cart. i have a broken head light cover on the fog lamp light thing on my front bumper.
i agree people are people but some of them are animals who dont care about others

i mean all races seems like the lowcountrys most wanted are creepy white dudes last couple of weeks that was the case

it just seems to me that this past week has been filled with hispanic crime. alot of it and this case is a sad tragedy and crime

Posted by allwoman on May 9, 2008 at 7:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lol@ DawnM. I've never had them try to hit my shopping cart either. I wonder why?

Posted by UrGatorbait on May 9, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jane read the first few posts and you'll see all the blame heaped upon the illegals even though there were deaths. Nice rabble rousing with the flags burning on our streets speech. Bravo.

jca, you shoulda called the cops no?

A good ol' boy hit my truck and found out he had no insurance/license and was plastered so your point is what? Only those evil little brown people break the law? Please get over yourself.

A brown skin person hit your car? or was it your shopping cart? A crime wave of epic proportions I must say.

Funny I don't remember car seats when I was a kid, riding in the back of a pick up on the road? The shame. Oh lordy lord save us from ourselves and the big gubmint folks on here.

I also remember going to Virginia to pick tobacco in the summer as a teenager from Florida. Or picking strawberries. When the employers start paying these people according to the law or if you could get people in this country with their entitlement mentality to actually earn their money by working in the fields, some of you here will be the first to scream. I can't wait until that happens. You want cheap food stuffs? You'll keep getting illegals. Ask the US gubmint about bringing illegals in over the years start before most of were born. It happened during WWII because nobody could work the fields. Until we actually are willing to do something about it, i.e. willing to pay more for foods and services, actually enforce the ample immigration laws on the books, work to assimilate them, they aren't going away anytime soon.

It depends on which bogey man the local media outlets choose to highlight that particular month/week. The deadbeat dad section is always full of white and black folk. Go look around the state sex offender site and give me percentage then. Because they are of latin origin, it appears we know which bogey man you and others fear. Never mind people are dead and your concern is one hit your car/shopping cart or whatever.

Some feign concern for these children than proceed to lecture on the wholesome righteousness of car seats and only those mesican people don't use them. What a bunch a bunch of self righteous blowhards.

People in this country, illegally or legally, break the law. It's unfortunate that people have to die whether they are legal or illegal.

I hit a shopping cart once, I think the FBI is still looking for me.

Posted by wonderdog on May 9, 2008 at 8:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't care where they are from or what their race is. We have child safety restraint laws to save children from stupid parents. This is a horrible tragedy but one that might have been avoided. Those poor babies!

Posted by jca on May 9, 2008 at 9:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gator we did

all we had was blue ford sedan i cant off hand remember what the stupid car was. damage is less than a hundred so not worth fighting very annoying though. these were young guys barely old enough to have licenses
hit us from behind and then sped up cut us off breaking the stupid cover and then fled

Posted by eyfigueroa on May 9, 2008 at 11:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wow! and i do mean wow!

i can hear the shrill voice behind those comments.

oooh Lordy!

Posted by cgh68 on May 9, 2008 at 11:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is great to see that even in a time of deep sorrow we can still find real ignorance in our society. Every racist person needs to remember that God only sees one color we are all the same to the almighty, that also does not like ugly.. This is a very loving and caring family. Now do they not only have to deal with a great loss of 2 wonderful young lives taken away so suddenly and tragic, they have to deal with comments from stupid people.. Remember if you were taught anything by your persons that if you have nothing nice to say keep your mouth shut!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by trod1 on May 10, 2008 at 12:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Not restrained properly =child endangerment!they should be prosecuted!