Posted by ForPnC on March 14, 2008 at 4:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Poor isolated man...
If he is indeed and truly an Enemy Combatant then I have an idea to get rid of boredom and save his mind. Throw him in GENERAL POPULATION at the county lockup. His mind won't be all he loses.

Posted by Harpo on March 14, 2008 at 5:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Al Qaida link with this guy is the reason for the
harsh treatment. The loneliness he's enduring could be
lessened a little by allowing him to have the company of
one of his peers in his prison cell.
I would think a large brown rat would be appropriate.

Posted by moonpie on March 14, 2008 at 6:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh I feel for him, NOT!
Hey put him in an orange jumpsuit and drap him thru the streets behind a truck! Then put him on TV and make him beg for his life right before his capturs remove his head? OR LEAVE HIM IN SOLITARY AND HE GETS TO KEEP HIS HEAD, THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL PART THAT IS...?

Posted by lantanagurl on March 14, 2008 at 7:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Where is the proof he is guilty of anything? Has he been tried by a jury of his peers (which is a joke in itself!)& sentenced or is this another one of Bush - the dictator's tactics. Maybe the rest of you are just fine with being spied upon & consitutional rights ignored, but I damn sure am not! How would you like to have your rights denied & be held in prison without even having a trial? Credit card fraud???? That deserves prison without trial? You must be kidding!!! Sounds a whole lot like the Islamic governments we so admamently are trying to destroy.We have become a nation of anxiety-driven wussies! Man up & grow a set mr bush

Posted by crankyyankee on March 14, 2008 at 7:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think he should be released and put under house arrest at Andy's house!

Posted by prettywoman2457 on March 14, 2008 at 8:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe Bush (the WAR MONGER) should share the cell with him and he would have some company and human companionship that he needs with his own kind!! Its the perfect place for Bush!

Posted by mjklow on March 14, 2008 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Let him rot!!! After spending 15 months on the ground in Iraq as a U.S. Soldier I have seen what his kind is capable of first-hand. I would rather fight them over there then to wait for them to arrive here in sufficient force. Also it will be over my dead body before my kids have to live under Islamic law in the USA.

Posted by theronce on March 14, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

He was captured on the field of battle. Such are the fortunes of war.

Posted by Reader on March 14, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If he is such a terrible person (as most of the posters here seem to assume), then it should not be hard to find enough evidence to indict him on some crime, try him, and put him in a regular jail.

On the other hand, if there is no evidence against him (and none has been cited), let the guy out.

Keeping people locked up in solitary confinement for five years without any charges is Kafkaesque.

Posted by Thomas1776 on March 14, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Five years in total isolation? Has he been sentenced to anything?

This sounds like Nazi tactics. We have a Constitution .. the 8th Amendment. But of course everyone knows our government never follows it anymore.

I wonder how many politicians have wire taps on their phones placed illegally by Bush's FBI?

Posted by RTC on March 14, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I can't believe anyone could feel sorry for this guy. If this was a an American over in Iraq, he would have lost alot more than his mind.

latanagurl, you are an insult to people like mjklow and all the others that have fought and died for their country.

Posted by ImplantedYankee on March 14, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Is he a US citizen? If so, then there has been a miscarriage of justice. If not, then all the whiney arguments about the constitution don't apply. The same goes for those (usually the same people) crying about illegal aliens being denied "constitutional rights". The last time I checked, the constitution read "We the people of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". It doesn't say "We the people of the world".

Posted by wpc3iop on March 14, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lantanagurl: Why don't you offer to let him stay at your house? I'm sure you two would have lots to talk about. He should be made to dig his own grave and then shot between the eyes...

Posted by Reader on March 14, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

RTC wrote, "I can't believe anyone could feel sorry for this guy. If this was a an American over in Iraq, he would have lost a lot more than his mind."

What I cannot believe is that anyone would be content knowing NOT that we are living up to an American sense of justice, but that at least we are a tiny bit better than the Iraqi system. How about we set our standards higher than that?

And, incidentally, since when did anyone die for this country to ensure that no one voiced an opinion which challenged the government? I thought that is precisely one of the rights people HAVE fought for.

Posted by lexylady on March 14, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here we go with the pity party. I don't give a rats behind if he rots in jail!!! Looks to me like Savage is working up a case of Mental incompetence to stand trial! That would indicate to me that he has No other case against this creep.
As far as I am concerned, this guy has no rights!!

Posted by jammanofdi on March 14, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As much of a conservative and patriot that I believe that I am, being held for over 17,000 days without being tried for anything truly is a crime in itself - regardless of who it is. Do you not think that if our government had something - anything that led them to believe that he was either dangerous and/or was connected to Al-Qaeda, that they wouldn't have taken this to trial by now?? The Bush administration has definitely run afoul, and it is a shame that this is going on right here in Charleston, SC. I cannot imagine believing that the only escape is death, but in this case it seems to be the truth. Thank you Mr. Savage for sticking up for this man. These other posters laugh, but with the way our government is going - this could be any one of us soon.

Posted by RTC on March 14, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Reader, I am not suggesting that this country ever stoop to the type of injustice that goes on in THOSE countries. I am merely stating that he is better off than an American would be over there.
I pray that this country never falls so low as to donning hoods, sawing people's heads off, and videotaping the act for the world to see.

Posted by Reader on March 14, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LexyLady wrote, "Looks to me like Savage is working up a case of Mental incompetence to stand trial! That would indicate to me that he has No other case against this creep."

We know beyond any question that this comment is wrong. Andy Savage is not even defending him against anything! That is precisely the problem. There is not even a charge against the guy, much less a tactical plan to establish a defense to that charge.

Posted by greyrider on March 14, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder what the mental state is of the families of the 9/11 victims?

Posted by LowcountryMoose on March 14, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If he has lost his mind, then we have reasonably rehabilitated him. Now we can buy him a one-way ticket to any Arab nation. He will assimilate just fine into society.

Posted by RTC on March 14, 2008 at 10:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dr. Stuart Grassian was hired by al-Marri's lawyers.
Do you really think he's going to say that the man is happy, healthy, and thriving?
They certainly need the opinion of more than one shrink in order to determine this man's state of mind.
Complaining about the food and plumbing sounds like the complaints of every prisoner in the country.

Posted by SomeTruthPlease on March 14, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I could really care less about Mr. al-Marri's mental health issues..I doubt he was profoundly "sane" when INDICTED. My point is this...His Indictment was nearly five years ago? Why has he not seen a day in court? That isn't mentioned at all. At least they brought an indictment. Some "rogue" ATF agents, apparently in Bloomberg's pocket, have indicted Larry Mickalis on evidence they SAY they had over 2 years ago. That couldn't come at a more opportune time. Their tactics? Draw it out, as long as you can...Bloomberg is suing to have Mickalis' suit against him proceed as normal, and if he wins, Larry won't have a chance, as a Federal Indictment against him makes his suit absolutely permeable. I'll be you the conclusion of the ATF's case against Larry will come about right after Larry faces Bloomberg in court and a jury verdict is handed down. That's right..it could be that the witnesses in the Mickalis case are an illiterate criminal named Jesse O'Conner that lives in Bonneau, and his emotionally-needy girlfriend Holly Flom that purchased him a gun, and tried to get him off the hook by collaborating with the Feds. You won't be reading in the paper that he's her youngest child's father. They seem to want to eliminate that kind of information from the press releases. If you want to tell her what kind of a wretched individual she is, feel free to contact her at the Summerville Police Department! She's a dispatcher...commit a felony, get a $10.00+/hr job with the Town of Summerville! Maybe they'll give Mr. O'Conner a cushy pencil-pushing job too. I doubt those two pigs will ever see a day in jail...they're too busy with their lips on the butts of two ATF agents, and they seem to like it! Indict, take it to trial, and convict or not. Get on the ball, FEDS.

Posted by SomeTruthPlease on March 14, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh, and ask yourself when the ATF started collaborating with the criminals? Holly Flom should have received 7 years for her involvement, Jesse O'Conner, who served over a year in SCDC could have received an additional 5 years, but NEITHER are facing any charges if they get what the ATF wanted. One charge on Larry in 32 years...and two co-conspirators had to try to come up with the evidence? And an ATF agent that lives in a half-million dollar home. Go figure. Addresses for all are available by contacting me. Eggs provided free.

Posted by grannyofsix on March 14, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why dont we let all these guys go, bring our boys home. then if we are lucky, the might not be the bad guys we think they are . of course we may lose a few lives when the blow up a few major buildings and kill a few thousand innocent people but, then we wont have to worry about people say we are wrong by trying to stop these good boys who just want to follow there religious beliefs. that if they, become suicide bombers the will get their reward of 72 virgins.

Posted by SomeTruthPlease on March 14, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

GrannyofSix, I am including the link to "Achmed the Dead Terrorist" by Jeff Dunham...I wasn't sure if you'd seen it, but you made me think of it with the "72 virgins" comment! It's worth the watch...hilarious! http://youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go

Posted by Reader on March 14, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

GrannyofSix wrote, "Why don't we let all these guys go and bring our boys home? Then, if we are lucky, they might not be the bad guys we think they are. Of course we may lose a few lives when they blow up a few major buildings and kill a few thousand innocent people, but then we won't have to worry about people saying we are wrong by trying to stop these good boys who just want to follow their religious beliefs. Then, if they do become suicide bombers, they will get their reward of 72 virgins."

Who is the "they" and "these people" you are referring to? Do you mean people held without any evidence of any involvement in any sort of wrongdoing? So far, there is no more reason to hold his guy than there is to hold anyone whose name was selected at random out of a phonebook.

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but for all of the posters who are in favor of keeping this fellow in jail forever, let me be clear: I am totally in favor of jailing him, and I really don't care about solitary confinement. However, I want to see the federal government either put up or shut up. Put him on trial if he is as horrible as some of you think. Let him go if there is no evidence of his complicity. Just do something!

Posted by grannyofsix on March 14, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

SometruthPlease thanks for the link but I have both DVDs and love them
And reaader i like you would like to know and be sure we are holding someone for the right reason. My grandson is fighting over in Irag now because of 9-11 and to make sure even the terroist that are here get a fair trial. but if keeping him there and my tax dollars paying for it, is to make sure that another 9-11 doesnt happen then so be it.
GOD BLESS AMERICA KEEP OUR BOYS SAFE

Posted by theronce on March 14, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I do not want a trial. He was taken on the battlefield and should stay penned at least for the duration of the war.

Posted by forget on March 14, 2008 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They mentioned his "civil liberties" and his rights guaranteed by the Constitution. He's not an American citizen, so therefore, he doesn't have the same "civil liberties" as we do as citizens as guaranteed in OUR Constitution. We are at war. We can't afford as a country to let him go. If you think so, ask the family members of the people killed on 9/11. And then ask some of the young men and women fighting over in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then ask some of the survivors of the subway and bus bombings in England or the bombings in Spain, etc.

Posted by CHRISJIII on March 14, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is definately a case of cruel and unusual punishment. The man has not even been charged with a crime in 5 years!!!! We all know that Bush is a liar and his administration will say anything to justify their misdeeds. What goes around comes around.

Posted by ImplantedYankee on March 14, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He wouldn't be in the brig at all if there was no more reason to hold him than his presence in the phonebook. It's my understanding that POWs are typically held until after the war. When the terrorists decide to give up this fight (we all know how likely that is), then we can hand him over.

Posted by forget on March 14, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CHRISJIII - Did Bush lie about 9/11? How about the England bombings or the train bombings in Spain, etc.? You obviously don't have anyone in the military nor been in the military yourself. You need to be grateful for where you live and the freedoms they have given their lives for. Until the terrorists have been dealt with and stopped, he needs to stay where he is. Maybe they should give him the 2 "college students" they arrested in GC as cellmates.

Posted by Corder2007 on March 14, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

loose his friggin mind? H-E-L-L-O!!!!! doesn't he have to have one in the first place to loose???? He is a terrorist, who in the hell cares whether he goes insane or not...that man is given meals to fit his religious allowances for what he can eat, 3 hots and a cot, the Koran and his mat in which to pray/worship on, whatever it is those freaks do....loose his mind? give me a break!

Posted by CHRISJIII on March 14, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Forget: I'm a veteran so I do know something about serving in the military. What does 9/11 have to do with civil liberties? Yes Bush did lie about 9/11. He said that the terrorists were from Saddam Hussien's cabal when indeed they were from Saudi Arabia. He said that our troops would be welcomed as "liberators". He said the the war wouldn't last a year and would pay for itself. He said that attacking Iraq would make us safer here at home. What do the bombings in London and Spain have to do with what's going on in this story?

Posted by forget on March 14, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As long as Al Queda and other terrorist groups are operating out of ANY of those countries in the Mid-East we and the rest of the world are at risk. We, and every other country, that has been affected by any of these terrorists acts has a responsibility to its citizens to act. He is in there because he has a link to high level Al Queda leaders, so therefore, the government has a responsibility to us as citizens to keep us safe. He needs to stay where he is.

Posted by ImplantedYankee on March 14, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CHRISJIII - Using the words "cruel and unusual punishment" invokes the eighth amendment. Unless we amend it again to negate the preamble limitation of "We the people of the United States of America", then it doesn't apply. Besides, if we use the tactics of those whom fight as a basis of comparison, then this guy is being treated remarkably well. There are western captives still being held by terrorists in several countries that are likely receiving far worse treatment. Just yesterday, a package containing the fingers of several US hostages was sent to our government. How about the guys found hanging from a bridge in Iraq? What about the beheaded ones in the Philippines?

As for being safer at home: Every dead terrorist in Iraq is one that isn't blowing something up here. Iraq has become a lightning rod for radical islamism, and they are flocking there to be killed by the thousands. It's working marvelously. Let's look at the record of Bush's predecessor Billary: 1993 WTC bombing, Embassy Bombings, USS Cole bombings, and terrorists arrived, trained, and built their network for the 9/11 attacks during his tenure.

Has even one US target been hit since we went on the offensive? *crickets chirping* That's what I thought.

Posted by jammer on March 14, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

f*k him, burying him alive would be too gracious...

and bury any of his defenders with him while you're at it

ammo's cheap at wallyworld, one round should do and one could save the tax payers thousands upon thousands

Posted by ImplantedYankee on March 14, 2008 at 1:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Geechie -- what do you suppose they think happens to the virgins? Do they grow new hymens every night or something? How long would 72 last? Surely not eternity.

Posted by CHRISJIII on March 14, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Implantedyankee: Sounds like you fell for the old line "We have reason to believe that there will be a terrorist attack somewhere in the U.S. within the next 48 hours". I read another article that states that this guy is indeed an American citizen with a family here in the U.S.If that bit of information is correct then your assertion about the 8th amendment is moot.Could it be that the reason that no new attacks have occurred in the last 6 years is because none were planned? "Chirp".

Posted by Corder2007 on March 14, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

AMEN jammer

Posted by Reader on March 14, 2008 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Theronce wrote, "I do not want a trial. He was taken on the battlefield and should stay penned at least for the duration of the war."

That is simply not true. He was arrested in Peoria, Illinois on credit card fraud charges. When did that become the same thing as a prisoner of war?

And, ImplantedYankee, the preamble of the Constitution is not a source of any right or limitation on any right otherwise found in the Constitution. In particular, the Eighth Amendment is not expressed as a right to be granted to individuals at all (citizen or not). Rather, the language is a prohibition against the federal government without any reference to who can invoke it.

Posted by LowcountryMoose on March 14, 2008 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Too bad our local high schools aren't virgin factories.

Posted by ImplantedYankee on March 14, 2008 at 1:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He's a citizen of Qatar, so I was right indeed, and it is the eighth amendment that is moot here, not my comments regarding it.

As for no attacks being planned -- I highly doubt it and you are naive to think it. 5 years from the WTC to the embassy attacks. Two more until the USS Cole. One more until 9/11. Let's not forget the barracks bombing in Riyahd (1996), while we're at it. Actually there were also a few more plots of a lesser nature that were defeated during the last 6 years. It would seem that scattering and killing their leadership has reduced their effectiveness, and a lot of the rank and file members are either without direction or heading to Iraq.

Posted by theronce on March 14, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It appears to me that we live on the front lines, reference the events of 9/11. Also, these nuts have declared war on us and have not rescinded that yet. Seems true enough to me.

Posted by grannyofsix on March 14, 2008 at 2:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Geechie the women get nothing. Only a smile, remember they are not equal to men there. Women are not treated as most women in the USA are. They are suppose to do it for allah and that should be enogh for them.
and just so you all dont think I am being a meany here i lost two family members is 9-11 and a friend was hurt in the bombing in London. this is war the is a prisoner of war because of his ties with al- qaida.

Posted by RTC on March 14, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

granny, read "Inside the Kingdom" by Carmen Bin Laden, Osama's ex sister-in-law. You can read excerpts from it on the web.
She really gives a good insight into what it's like living as a Muslim woman.

Posted by Reader on March 14, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

GrannyofSix wrote, "This is war. He is a prisoner of war because of his ties with al-qaida."

What ties to al-Qaida are you talking about? The federal government has not presented any evidence of any such ties.

The circular reasoning of so many of these posts is dizzying. You are assuming that he is guilty of something (who knows what exactly), so therefore he has no right to contest that he is guilty of something. That is crazy.

He has not yet been shown to have any connection to any sort of group, much less al-Qaida. That is the whole point. He is not charged with anything yet. If he were, and if the government could make a case, then I would join the chorus of people who believe he should be jailed. But, we do not jail people who have done nothing wrong, and the government, even after five years, has put up no evidence that this guy has done anything wrong.

Posted by CHRISJIII on March 14, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Reader: Finally a sane voice!!!!

Posted by forget on March 14, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CHRIS - Do you really feel comfortable letting this guy (and possibly the 2 from ouside the GC weapons station) go?

Posted by RTC on March 14, 2008 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Federal agents also linked al-Marri to high-level al-Qaida leaders."
It doesn't say "suspected link", it says they HAVE linked him to al-Qaida leaders.
Just because they have not presented the evidence doesn't mean it does not exist. There is most likely a very good reason that the public has not been enlightened concerning their reasoning behind this arrest.
The credit card fraud is probably what tipped them off into further investigation of this man.

Posted by grannyofsix on March 14, 2008 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

let them all go. Save taxpayers money for the funerals and new buildings we will have to pay for once they al-qaida are all free

Posted by CHRISJIII on March 14, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If he's not being charged with a crime I sure do. Innocent until proven guilty. It has been shown that the two students who were stopped in GC were not the people that the press in S.C. painted them to be.If the government cannot prove a case in 5 years that probably means that they don't have one. Would you like to be held in a jail cell for 5 years, in solitary confinement, without being charged with a crime?

Posted by Reader on March 14, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ImplantedYankee wrote, "Has even one US target been hit since we went on the offensive? *crickets chirping* That's what I thought."

Do you mean other than the about 4,000 U.S. soldiers who have been killed just in Iraq?

Posted by grannyofsix on March 14, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

as far as solitary confinement it could be for his own safty. maybe the mp are afarid he would be in danger with other inmates

Posted by forget on March 14, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So, you really think the two from outside the weapons stations really made a wrong turn trying to get to the beach in NC or where ever they said they were going?

Posted by grannyofsix on March 14, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok its friday, and I am getting tired so I am sorry for the bad english in my last post. I sent it before I proof read it.

Posted by theronce on March 14, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's sort it out after we win the war. Now, if you are intent on giving up, at least release him get him out of the country.

Posted by grannyofsix on March 14, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

does anyone in here remember a war where thousand of famlies were sent to refuge camps because the US was fighting their home country? and most of the people that were sent to them were first and second generation Americans. At least this hasn't happened this time. but if keeping this guy and others like him in confinement could AND I did say Could keep us from having another 9-11 then so be it. '
I dont believ in some of the way that they have been questioned but by God if keeping them behind bars whether guilty or not can help the SO BE IT

Posted by forget on March 14, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey, they could have charged, tried and sentenced him for the credit card fraud itself. They could have sentenced him separately for each offense, and to the maximum to keep him in prison for a long time. My grandmother had a saying, and an old cliche it may be, but more often than not it applies - "where there's smoke, there's fire". Was he even in this country legally? They didn't mention that. I just think these men ( this one, and the 2 from GC ) got on the radar for a reason.

Posted by stand828 on March 14, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So he was taken on the battlefield? When was there a battlefield in Peoria, Illinois? Maybe there was, if George Bush said there was. Of course, al-Marri must be a terrorist because W says so. That's scary.

That's why we're in this ridiculous war in the first place, because George W. Bush pictures himself as a cowboy, he wanted a war, and he was willing to lie to get his way.

He started an unjustified war a without a committed coalition, he destroyed our reputation in the world, he cost thousnds of lives, he ran our economy in the ground...the only people not hurting financially now seem to be his oil company buddies. He's a disgusting POS and a pathetic excuse for a leader.

Thank God that jackass will be gone in nine months, I don't think our country could survive much longer with that disgraceful SOB in the White House. Even if we could, why would anybody want to?

Posted by CHRISJIII on March 14, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Forget: The reason is called zenophobia!!!!

Posted by forget on March 14, 2008 at 4:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No sir, it's called being preemptive. In todays world, we have to be.
So, you would be completely comfortable with just opening up the door and letting him out, along with the 2 arrested in GC? Forget the "innocent until proven" speech. You can say you feel really good, in your heart, about letting these three go into society. You are comfortable in thinking they are harmless, just a scapegoat of the government. That they all were just unfortunately at the wrong places at the wrong times.

Posted by Reader on March 14, 2008 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RTC wrote, "'Federal agents also linked al-Marri to high-level al-Qaida leaders.' It doesn't say 'suspected link,' it says they HAVE linked him to al-Qaida leaders. Just because they have not presented the evidence doesn't mean it does not exist. There is most likely a very good reason that the public has not been enlightened concerning their reasoning behind this arrest."

Good grief. This is like the episode of The Office in which Michael "declares" bankruptcy. Just saying it, does not make it true.

According to RTC's theory, why even bother having trials at all in this country? After all, in every criminal case ever tried, the government has SAID that the evidence will prove something. Why not send everyone to prison on the word of the government? The government is infallable, right? Can't I just surrender all of my rights to the government so that I can be safe? Won't the government protect me?

Posted by RTC on March 14, 2008 at 7:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Reader, I NEVER said there should be no trials. You are taking comments, and twisting them around, and adding onto them.
All day long you have quoted everyone's comments, and placed entirely different meanings on what has been said.
Jesus, I think you are suffering from frigging Alzheimer's.

Posted by RTC on March 14, 2008 at 7:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Another thing. Do you honestly believe that the government is going to tell the public everything?
Do I trust the government 100%? Hell no!
Are they taking too long to deal with this man? Hell yes.
We are not talking about an everyday US citizen here. This man has links to a known terrorist cell.
Why has everyone forgotten 9/11 so soon? We will never be able to let our guard down again. These people will never stop trying to destroy us. Why is it wrong to be overly cautious?
As far as everyone blaming Bush; if Bill Clinton had been in office when 9/11 happened, I cringe at the thought of what this country might be like right now.
It's bad enough that those pilots were training in Florida during Clinton's reign. No one seems to remember that part.

Posted by Reader on March 14, 2008 at 8:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have not taken any comments out of context at all. Quite to the contrary, I have quoted the exact language of posters above and beyond the extent necessary. The problem is that most posters have been unwilling to be critical of anything "the Government" says. You included.

This fellow does NOT have links to a known terrorist cell. What are you basing that statement on?

Posted by Reader on March 14, 2008 at 8:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And another thing, this is not one of "those pilots" who trained anywhere. The is precisely NO EVIDENCE that this guy did ANYTHING wrong. If it is any solace, when you are swept up in some anti-Government demonstration and George Bush labels you a terrorist unilaterally, I'll be speaking in your behalf as well.

Posted by Reader on March 14, 2008 at 8:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And another thing, RTC wrote, "Reader, I NEVER said there should be no trials. You are taking comments, and twisting them around, and adding onto them."

Hell, we are not even talking about a trial at this stage! Do you even think that this fellow deserves the right to be CHARGED with something? Yes or no? If "yes," then you agree with me. If "no," then you disagree with our Constitution.

Posted by rollo on March 14, 2008 at 9:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So what?

Posted by grannyofsix on March 14, 2008 at 9:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

reader as RTC said the goverment is not going to tell everthing but you know you have the right to yourbeliefs as we do. but you try looking at a casket that you know there is just a couple of body parts you are burying.and know taht some of the ones that caused this are still running at large right here in america

Posted by outrage on March 14, 2008 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

stand828 - Stay away from the Left-wing websites.

Vote Democrat and watch this country be taxed to death.

Posted by jammer on March 14, 2008 at 11:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Reader, and others like you, you can't possibly be that ignorant

you are either on their side or you are one of those constant conspiracy theorist

ever heard of classified intel? do you really think any of our top intel guys are just going to post everything they have on anybody here in the PC just for your entertainment or to inform you and yours?

you'll be lucky to ever know 50% of the people they are now holding, much less why they are holding them

don't act so stupid, as if someone's going to tell you what they have on who in the middle of a war... geezzzzz you people are dense

just bend over and kiss your own a*s while it's still there and in one piece, and then thank the govt you criticize for that opportunity

Posted by Reader on March 15, 2008 at 12:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jammer -

I am quite sure that the government has a lot of information at its disposal. That is precisely why I want to see the government finally charge this guy with something! The government cannot simply CLAIM to have information and hold people without charges forever!

Remember that the government has not even proceeded to charge this fellow in a court martial which is not subject to the same public review as regular civil courts.

Stop being such an apologist for the government. People like you who uncritically believe everything that the government tells you are why we invaded Iraq in the first place. Good grief. Think for yourself.

Posted by jammer on March 15, 2008 at 12:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

wake up Reader, this isn't a dream and many real lives are depending on it

I don't just think for myself, but also of others

it isn't necessary for you to "see" anything, try to understand that this guy IS the enemy... and that's really all you need to know

if you want to know more then join, or rejoin the military with an MOS that would put you in the commanding chair eventually so you can get all the facts you need to satisfy your curiosity

meanwhile all you "need" to know about this enemy is that he is the enemy and wants you dead

with the world the way it is today don't you think it's more important to be strategically placed than to argue about the real reason we are in iraq?

no offense but chew on that awhile before you make another ignorant reply

Posted by Reader on March 15, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jammer -

There is no need to join the military to see the evidence against this fellow. I am already perfectly capable of serving as a juror in his trial and hearing the evidence - except that the government has simply declared him guilty and won't even charge him, much less try him.

There is no reason to think that this fellow is guilty just because the government tells you so. Think about the hundreds of people who were taken to Guantanamo Bay under the claim that they too were hostile to America and that our nation would be under huge risk if they were ever released. The government has ended up releasing most of them because, it turns out, they could not even muster enough evidence to show to a secret military court!

How can you just blindly believe anything the government tells you?