Son's death leads to charge of homicide by child abuseBy Noah Haglund (Contact)
The Post and Courier
Thursday, March 6, 2008
Melissa Anna McKinney A Johns Island woman was charged with homicide by child abuse after her 5-month-old son died Tuesday, and prosecutors say they will re-examine the previous death of her daughter and a miscarriage. Melissa Anna McKinney, 21, told investigators that the child was fussy and didn't want to sleep, so she placed a folded blanket over his face so he wouldn't disturb other people in the house, an affidavit said. It said the mother fell asleep with her son lying beside her in the bed, and when she awoke she found him face down under her chest with his face pressed into the mattress. The baby was taken to Medical University Hospital, where he was revived, but he died the next day, the affidavit said. It was the third child McKinney has lost in as many years. Authorities said they would take a closer look at the death of McKinney's 16-day-old daughter in 2005, as well as a miscarriage in 2006. "We're going to open everything we know of back up and do more investigating, more interviewing," 9th Circuit Solicitor Scarlett Wilson said Wednesday during a news conference with Charleston County Sheriff Al Cannon. "We can't jump to conclusions about the previous incidents because we don't know yet, but certainly it raises more red flags." Deputies responded to the home where McKinney was staying at the end of Cane Slash Road about 12:30 p.m. Monday after receiving a call about the child being unresponsive. McKinney told them she had been sleeping with her son, David, after leaving her job at a Hess gas station on Maybank Highway about 1 a.m., an incident report says. The report gives this account of what happened next: The mother went to bed about a half-hour later. She woke up about 7 a.m., fed David and went back to sleep. At 10 a.m., she woke up and fed the infant a second time, then went back to sleep. The third time she woke up — she couldn't remember the exact time — the child wasn't breathing. She had another person at the house call police. The Coroner's Office said David died at Medical University Hospital about 8:35 p.m. Tuesday. The cause of death was under investigation, Deputy Coroner Kelly Myers said. A man at the Cane Slash Road home declined to speak to a reporter about what happened but said McKinney hadn't lived there long. Deputies originally arrested the mother on a charge of unlawful neglect of a child, but upgraded it after the child died. Cannon said McKinney gave birth to David while in the Charleston County Detention Center. She had been arrested on an armed-robbery charge in North Charleston in March 2007. Wilson said the charge was dropped after a co-defendant exonerated her. A newborn girl, Mia, died under similar circumstances to David in July 2005. It happened at a home on Henry Tecklenburg Drive, according to an incident report. "It was determined that she had rolled over on the child during the night and the child suffocated," Cannon said. Wilson said an infant-fatality panel of medical and legal experts had looked into that death but found no basis for criminal charges. The miscarriage the following year happened while McKinney was about five months pregnant, the sheriff said. Investigators had not determined who was the father of any of the children, he said. Authorities don't think David's death was an accident, but they wouldn't say if they thought it was a case of neglect, abuse or an extreme lack of responsibility. Rollover deaths happen several times a year in Charleston, often to parents who are unaware of the dangers of sleeping with their infant, said Colleen Boylston with Sweetgrass Pediatrics in North Charleston. In the medical community, they call it co-sleeping. "We don't recommend co-sleeping at any age for safety concerns," Boylston said. Younger children run a greater risk, she said. The danger increases if the parent has been using alcohol, pain medication or illegal drugs, or is obese. "The key is teaching the child to sleep by itself in a safe environment," she said. Homicide by child abuse carries a sentence of 20 years to life. Charleston County Magistrate Mary Holmes read the charges against McKinney in court Wednesday night. When she asked McKinney if she would like to make a statement, McKinney said, "Can I plead guilty now?" The judge's answer was, "No." McKinney will later face a circuit court judge for a bond hearing. Nadine Parks contributed to this report. Reach Noah Haglund at nhaglund@postandcourier.com or 937-5550. |
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Posted by moonpie on March 6, 2008 at 6:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"It was the third child McKinney has lost in as many years. Authorities said they would take a closer look at the death"
YOU THINK? 3 KIDS IN 3 YRS AND WE'RE JUST GONNA LOOK AT HER NOW??!
Posted by DanniD on March 6, 2008 at 7:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I have a hard time believing that you can "accidentally" roll on top of your child while you are sleeping and not realize what is going on long enough for the child to suffocate. I have 3 children, and they all slept with me at some point, and I NEVER rolled on top of them. Nice excuse....if you ask me it is a BS excuse. Something is wrong with this girl to have "accidentally" suffocated two of her children. Those kids didn't ask to be born.
Posted by highclass on March 6, 2008 at 7:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
She should be suffocated the same way she did her children. I'm sure some attorney will try to say she is suffering from some type of mental illness and this was not her fault. BS!!! She should have been looked into a long time ago. Death row for her.
Posted by Nonsense on March 6, 2008 at 7:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Things like this make me wonder why these low class people can't be sterilized so they can't reproduce; they certainly don't need anymore chances to kill innocent children.
Posted by laine61 on March 6, 2008 at 8:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I know that accidents of this kind can happen, but twice? I had five children and I slept with them in my bed and never once rolled on top of them. So did my mother, my sisters, and my grandmothers. So, I agree that this is "BS".
Posted by jca on March 6, 2008 at 8:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
this is why they make cribs babies shouldnt be in the beds with their parents i did have my son in my bed for a short time and i never rolled on to him. somethi g is wrong with this girl. lock her up
Posted by newto843 on March 6, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Sickening, this should go with out saying but I hope she is never given the opportunity to become pregnant much less a parent again.
Posted by captivated on March 6, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You would think that after the first time, she would have learned what a baby crib is. BTW, according to the timeline here, she left work at 0100am, slept from 0130am until 0700am, slept from then until 1000am, then slept for who knows (she doesn't) how long. Did she just come off a 24 hour shift or did she have help getting to sleep? Just wondering.
Posted by RTC on March 6, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Sorry, but this woman has no maternal instincts whatsoever.
She is a murderer plain and simple. Did you see her on the news last night? She knew she had killed that child, and that is the one reason she wanted to go ahead and be sentenced.
My husband and I have had our babies in the bed with us many a night, and neither one of us ever came close to rolling on one of them. I think most parents have a built-in instinct not to do this.
I don't agree with co-sleeping being dangerous. Health experts have already said that there is less chance of SIDS when a baby sleeps against a parent.
If there is any problem with this at all is that it usually leads to spoiling the child where it won't sleep in it's own bed.
This woman either has the worst luck in the world(yeah right)or she is truly a total sociopath.
Posted by crankyyankee on March 6, 2008 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Our society such as it is will slap her wrist and pay her to have another one!
Posted by charlene68 on March 6, 2008 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
She should have never been able to have kids.... people like that don't need them... I hope she rots in jail and wish it was the good ole eye for eye tooth for tooth or the days where we could beat them in public... I dont like violence and am not a violent person,, but anyone that meeses with or hurts a child needs to be done that way.. .they are FU*&^%$ animals... An animal is better than that .
Posted by ColdBeer on March 6, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Working the night shift at a Hess gas station, apparently no husband or even a steady boyfriend, moving often, in trouble with the law and she still gets pregnant 3 times in 3 years??? Her first one apparently at 18 years of age???
Although it's a tragedy, I can "almost" understand one roll over suffication as an accident. I find it hard to believe you can roll over on even a new born baby and not realize it, but apparently, it happens fairly often. Once that happens, I can't imagine anyone ever putting a baby back in bed with them. This sounds like a case of "I got away with it last time".
Something is not right in this girl's mind. If it were truely an accident, she would not ever have asked to go ahead and plead guilty. She'll get a lawyer and they'll end up pleading not guilty for some lame reason or another. We'll be seeing this one on Court TV, well, now True TV.
Posted by MIAMIHEAT on March 6, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
TOO BAD SHE DIDN'T "ROLL OVER" ON HER BOYFRIEND. THIS TRAGIC EVEN MAY NEVER HAVE OCCURRED
Posted by ln1959 on March 6, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
There is truly a crime committed here. I have three children thats have slept in bed with me, on the couch, and on my chest and I have never rolled over on any of my kids or siblings for that matter.
She didn't wont those children, but she kept getting pregnant. She is definitely a case for spading.
I hope they throw the keys in the Cooper River on this one. Don't mess with kids. They did not ask to be brought into this world. People make that choice, so they should protect them.
Posted by ImplantedYankee on March 6, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree that she needs to be put away. She should have been spayed after the first one. I think after three we should also jail the social worker that was handling this.
Posted by scnative4ever on March 6, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
White Trash druggie!!! What was she doing with the child if she committed armed robbery? Why was she sleeping with the children? Everyone and anyone in their right mind doesn't sleep with babies and/or children. Anyone that does it is irresponsible regardless of your social standing. For one, this kind of accident can and will happen and two if you start letting kids sleep in the bed with mom and dad, it leads to problems getting them to sleep in their on bed later. Also it strains the marriage. Children don't belong in the parents bed!!!
Posted by tygers1231 on March 6, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHY WE HAVE SO MANY CHILDREN IN THE CUSTODY OF THE STATE.I THINK A MANDATORY HYSTERECTOMY WOULD BE THE ANSWER IN THIS CASE. TO MANY FAMILIES OUT THERE THAT WOULD HAVE LOVED TO MAKE ONE OF THESE CHILDREN THEIR OWN AND GIVE THEM A LIFE, BUT INSTEAD THIS PIECE OF WHITE RASH TOOK THEIR LIVES AWAY. DEATH SENTENCE, BUT I AM SURE WE WILL HER THAT SHE WILL CLAIM TO HAVE HAD POST PARTPARTUM DEPRESSION AND GET OFF WITH A SLAP ON THE WRIST.
Posted by ticket3477 on March 6, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
more proof that we need a national birth control program.
norplant or nuvo ring (spelling??) should be implanted/inserted starting at age 12 (they last for 3-5 years) then if the child is still deemed unable to make rational decisions(which no 17 year old is) it should be reimplanted/inserted and that way we have no teen pregnancies.
or dumbasses getting pregnant and killing the children they know they dont want. Idiots.
Posted by SvlleBlogger on March 6, 2008 at 9:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The officicals need to really look into her past. I knew her father and he had a lot of problems with her when she was a teenager. She use to torture animals. There is no doubt in my mind that she intentionally suffocated her children. Hopefully, they won't let her out on bond.
Posted by ticket3477 on March 6, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
are you serious?...so that would tech. make her a serial killer since she killed 3 of her children. Probably caused the miscarriage.
Posted by flamingo on March 6, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree this is a very sad case and the woman should be punished.
To the person who pointed the poverty finger be reminded even people with money are convicted of crimes.
Posted by RTC on March 6, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes, allwoman, ask my now grown children how crazy I am, right? Some people obviously have never been so exhausted that they fell asleep with a baby in their bed.
That's been some of the best sleep I've ever had.
This woman didn't accidently roll on these babies, she wanted them gone from her life.
Have any of you mothers that have posted EVER put a folded blanket over your baby's face because it was crying?
I bet none of you have, because we are not screwed up in the head like this woman.
Posted by Test2007 on March 6, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't agree that people who sleep with their kids are irresponsible but there are cases where women have rolled on their kids while they were sleeping. It was by accident though. I am not saying this is the case either but just letting people know that it can happen. In fact, I am almost sure that doctors actually caution people from having babies sleep in the bed with them.
With that being said, 3 babies dying in 3 years??? Sorry, but that is no coincidence.
Posted by buttercup on March 6, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Comment By ticket1231
more proof that we need a national birth control program.
norplant or nuvo ring (spelling??) should be implanted/inserted starting at age 12 (they last for 3-5 years) then if the child is still deemed unable to make rational decisions(which no 17 year old is) it should be reimplanted/inserted and that way we have no teen pregnancies
Well well ticket3477 I think that a boy should keep his little Willie in his pants then the girls would not need birth control. It takes two to make a baby so the boy needs to take some responsibility also. Your comment is an insult to all girls like it is their entire fault because they get pregnant. Like I said keep your little WILLIE in you pants and there will be no unwanted children.
Posted by forget on March 6, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Has anyone noticed that she only did 7 months for armed robbery? The Mt. P boys needed her public defender. If she did a sufficient sentence for that crime, this would never have happened.
Posted by oldglory on March 6, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Munchausen by proxy is when a parent makes their child ill on a recurrent basis. This is child abuse. These infants will usually come to medical attention with the complaint of stopping breathing (apnea) with a color change. If this complaint from the parent is not taken seriously, the parent will often make the infant more ill before they see the doctor. Frequently, the infant is brought into the emergency room by ambulance after getting resuscitated by the paramedics. It is true that sometimes these babies do not survive the damage induced by the parent (usually only one parent is inducing the injury and the other is unaware). If there is no autopsy or death scene investigation, these infants can wrongly be labeled as SIDS. This is not often the case."
Probably not the case here; however,we all tend to look for explanations for the inexplicable, don't we? We just cannot comprehend such horrific actions.
Posted by Test2007 on March 6, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
buttercup - hehe willie... I haven't heard that in a while.
But I totally agree that no matter how stupid the girl is, it takes 2 to tango. Somehow it always comes down to how women aren't doing this and women aren't doing that. The last I heard women weren't able to create a baby on their own.
Posted by buttercup on March 6, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Correction To My Comment it should be comment by 3477 sorry.1231 sorry foe using your name just looked at it wrong again sorry.
Posted by Girleygirl on March 6, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Sad Sad Sad.
Allwoman- throw me on that list too. I slept with my kids on my chest, in the bed, on the floor, on the couch, on my back , foot in my butt, butt in my mouth and anything else you could think of. Never have I accidentally stepped on them, rolled over, or anything else. I think I can speak for alot of mothers and say its times when we fell asleep knowing our child is in the bed with us and woke up with back,neck pains because we did not move the whole night because, while we were sleeping, we still was aware of what was around us.
I find it quite ironic that she wants to go ahead and plead guilty NOW to homicide by child abuse. I think she is hiding something....
Posted by whome on March 6, 2008 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
this reminds me of an article I once read about SIDS.
Shoplifting:kleptomania::homicide by child abuse:SIDS
Posted by oldglory on March 6, 2008 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
buttercup, you are priceless! (and right!)
Posted by ticket3477 on March 6, 2008 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
buttercup..dont be naive. What makes you so certain I am a male. SHOCKER!!! I am a FEMALE I do not have "little WILLIE"
So youre saying we should give all boys vasectomy's and hope that later in life we can reattach the tubes and they can have kids?? Dumb, moronic, assinine, idiotic...STUPID.
The solution I had (and I am a girl, thankyouverymuch) is relatively non-invasive and doesnt require a major surgery. I am 25 and have had the sense to take birth control and not sleep around bc I dont want kids any time soon. Im sure you are aware that Birth control is readily available and cheap if you get it from the hospital but people are lazy, cheap, and stupid (they think the pull out method is fool proof) Boys dont have a sperm killer they can take, so stop it on one end. Dont be dumb. There are also alot of stupid young girls out there that try to get pregnant and have babies cos they want someone to love them. My solution prevents that from happening.
Before you shoot off at the mouth...you might want to make sure you get your information correct.
Posted by Corder2007 on March 6, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
OK first of all the daddy of these 3 children is in SCDC for the next 15 for the armed robbery she was exhonerated on. If she did kill these children she needs to be punished to the fullest extent of the law and if they can bring more charges on her for the other two then all the better but in all the comments i see no mention of the poor children being gone. 3 innocent lives taken, that is the tragedy. Godspeed to the children!
Posted by Girleygirl on March 6, 2008 at 10:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank you Buttercup for your post.
Tygers- a hysterectomy is a little bit too much and not a form of birth control its a surgery.
Posted by buttercup on March 6, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ticket3477 I could care less if you are a male or female.I still stick my by comment.Little boys need to keep their little WILLIES in their pants.
Posted by Two_Sheds on March 6, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
She (and others just like her) probably wonder why they keep getting pregnant, using the old excuse: "It must be something in the air..."
Yeah, genius....it's YOUR LEGS!
Posted by shannon29445 on March 6, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You know, this aggitates me to the fullest extent. That these youg women to have babies and don't even have enough responsibility to take care of their own children. This is the third child she has had that has died (including the miscarriage). It shouldn't take that many to start an investigation. When I first heard that this had hapened I immediatley went the internet to find archives showing what had happened to her first born little girl but was unsucessful. I did, however, find her myspace page. Being that I am young as well and a lot of people are using myspace I was pretty sure she would have one. I saw a picture of her first child and she is such an angel. I beleive that she needs to be locked up for the rest of her life.
Posted by nana666 on March 6, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm afraid being in a crib would not have saved this child's life. Maybe one day we will come to the conclusion that we would actually be more civilized mandating that baby and child killers like this be sterilized.
Posted by forget on March 6, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
These people need to have more self respect and respect for their own bodies. When I was growing up it was disgraceful to be pregnant at 14, 15, 16, etc. Not anymore.
Posted by ColdBeer on March 6, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Buttercup, just for the record, not all "willies" are little :)
Mandatory birth control is an idea I've spent a lot of time thinking about. It would be great if they did have a reliable birth control pill for men too, but as far as I know, they don't. Birth control pills don't stop STDs anyway, and I fear that many "on birth control" might become more casual with the rest of sex and then the cases of STDs, including Aids, will sky rocket.
Although mandatory birth control would solve several problems we now face, who would you trust to make the decisions on when someone can have a baby? I can't think of anyone or anything that currently exist that should have that authority... EXCEPT for a parent. We all know that not all parents are going to make the right decision in that area.
The only real viable solution is education, over many generations. No, it won't fix anything in the short term, but hopefully it would help in the long term.
Posted by buttercup on March 6, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ticket3477In my comment I did have a typo and you should have pick up on that but you just want to put me down but that is ok hahahaha.It should have been his and not your.I still stick my my comment.Boys should keep their little WILLIES in their pants.*S*
Posted by shannon29445 on March 6, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You know i forgot to mention earlier that these poor innocent babies have done nothing wrong but yet are brought into this world because of irresponsible women that feel like they need to have unprotected sex because it's more pleasureable! i am a mother of 3 cute little boys. I am 28 years old but I have that motherly instinct that if my infant sleeps next to me in the bed I will not roll over onto that baby...that's just the intinct. However, the pediatrician is right about co-sleeping. Your child should sleep in thier own bed. Even if it's in your room, the child is right there at your finger tips.
Posted by ticket3477 on March 6, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
your statement is childish. Maybe all girls should keep their legs closed, you included.
Posted by Two_Sheds on March 6, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The rise of AIDS in trashy populations would be a convenient method of self-extermination for these POSs. Problem solved.
Posted by ticket3477 on March 6, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
true...BUT...they can get out and infect others out of spite...
Posted by buttercup on March 6, 2008 at 10:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ColdBeer I am sure that there are some out there with big Willies sorry.*LOL*
But I still stick by my comment why should it always be the girls fault let the boys with big WILLIES or little WILLIES step up to the plate and take some responsibility.*S*
Posted by Two_Sheds on March 6, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ticket3477,
Having some modicum of self-control, I DID keep my legs closed until marriage, and my subsequent children were ALL planned. It's NOT rocket science.
Posted by newto843 on March 6, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good find Shannon, I usually look there as well. Look at her photo with the mad dog 20/20. For me that explains alot.
Posted by ticket3477 on March 6, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
the point is...like everyone has said...its both peoples faults. BUT if you can take preventative measures on one side why not do it. I dont see a male sperm killer pill out there making the boys take a goddamn pain in the ass pill every day for three weeks out of the week...the girls are the ones taking these pills because they found a way to fix it (for the most part) on one end. Are you going to boycott birthcontrol pills bc boys should keep their "willies" or penises in their pants? Again..your statement is childish and irrelovant.
Posted by ln1959 on March 6, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes, allwoman, I see that post. My kids loved laying on dads warm body, and I would never take that away from them. My daughters are 15 and 16 and they still come and lay across my back when I am watching TV and my son is 6 and he still lays next to dad and watch TV. It has build a bond, that no one can take away. So what every she thinks...is her opinion.
For this girl to kill her children, there could not be any bond here. And I bet she didn't know who these kids father were. I am sure all three had different fathers.
Posted by astrofan on March 6, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ColdBeer, I agree that education is a good thing, but the education should be coming from the parents of these people. The combination of hormones and complete lack of morals (particularly when it comes to young people and the hormones) is an almost lethal combination.
Posted by Two_Sheds on March 6, 2008 at 11:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Of course it's BOTH the girl and the guy's fault--she's obviously not the Virgin Mary.
Wow, did this article strike a nerve with you, or what? Don't be so touchy and paranoid, LOL. It's ONLY a message forum, so there's no need to fly off the handle.
Posted by ticket3477 on March 6, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
two_sheds...
who was talking to you?...oh thats right...no one.
Posted by Marianne0558 on March 6, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ticket3477:
"norplant or nuvo ring (spelling??) should be implanted/inserted starting at age 12 (they last for 3-5 years) then if the child is still deemed unable to make rational decisions(which no 17 year old is) it should be reimplanted/inserted and that way we have no teen pregnancies"
You can't force people to insert or implant things into their uteruses. That is ethically wrong. There needs to be some sort of prevention plan though. Abstinence is all they teach in school, which obviously doesn't work because either they are teaching BS (SC is second to last in education), or they are just don't care. Probably the latter excuse.
And for the record, not every teen that gets pregnant kills their babies. Some teens actually take responsibility for their actions and turn out to be great parents.
As for sleeping with kids in the bed;
It is not irrespobsible to have your kids sleep in the bed with you occasionally. Bad dreams happen. Scary noises happen. It just takes an idiot or a drug abuser to roll on top of them without knowing. That is a BS excuse and I hope they throw the whole encyclopedia set at her-not just the book.
**Nuva Ring: You
insert the ring in your vagina and leave it there for three weeks. After the ring is inserted, it releases a
continuous low dose of hormones into your body. You then remove it for a one-week ring-free period. [Now how can you expect 12 year olds to use this birth control correctly every month? Someone in my apartment complex flushed maxi pads down the toilet. If they aren't educated enough to know you can't flush pads, they won't be educated enough to know how this ring works and the risks].**
**Norplant: Wyeth, the maker of Norplant, recalled Norplant permanently because it could cause irregular and excessive bleeding, infection at the insertion site, capsule expulsion, migraine, and breast abnormalities. Other Norplant side effects include: nausea, dizziness, breast soreness, acne, weight gain, depression, skin discoloration, ovarian cysts, hair loss, and removal difficulties [so let's just force this on our teenage daughters too!]
"Before you shoot off at the mouth...you might want to make sure you get your information correct!"
Posted by Two_Sheds on March 6, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, obviously YOU were, my friend!
Posted by ticket3477 on March 6, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
whos flying off the handle...ever heard of being antagonistic?
apparently i have!
Posted by Test2007 on March 6, 2008 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Coldbeer - yes education is key. We brought it up on another board but you'd be surprised what old wives tales people still believe. I know it is a touchy subject but unless you are home-schooling your kids and they have NO access to the outside world and you have cameras monitoring them at all times.... you get the drift, they should be educated much earlier than high school. Late elementary school is probably good. Not full on details but most def the basics. In high school or late middle school the details should come into play. That sounds bad but seriously do not let your kids come out of school knowing absolutely nothing.
I can't speak for all women but I can say that 14 is when the propositions start and no it isn't all 14 year old boys doing it either. Luckily I was given information that scared the crap out of me so I didn't even try to contemplate it at a young age but that is not always the case.
Of course you have issues at hand as well. Women with daddy issues, girls who have been molested, girls who just want babies etc... The list goes on. I do agree that education will help.
Posted by Two_Sheds on March 6, 2008 at 11:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ticket,
Instead of a birth control pill, perhaps you need to take a CHILL pill, LOL. You are obviously taking this whole thing WAAAY too seriously. Take a deep breath, and just calm down....
Posted by Marianne0558 on March 6, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This SHOULD be taken seroiously... an innocent child was murdered by his psychopath mother who obviously doesn't know when to quit having babies.
Posted by Two_Sheds on March 6, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Marianne, I did not mean that the ISSUE AT HAND should not be taken seriously---I was referring to Ticket's taking issue with something I said. If he/she didn't like it, then he/she needs to just move on and stop beating a dead horse!
BUT, back to the issue at hand....I thought that if you had a baby in prison, then it was put into the custody of a guardian. Why was the child returned to her? Was there no reliable way to prove that she was an unfit mother, such as a drug test?
Posted by Marianne0558 on March 6, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Do any of you even know how the system works?
They give the child to a relative then the relative almost ALWAYS gives the child back to the parent it was taken from. It's a vicious cycle. Then these innocent children learn these atrocious ways of "parenting" and this is how they end up raising their own kids.
Posted by Two_Sheds on March 6, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, seeing as I don't have any experience in the world of felonies and convictions, I guess someone WILL have to explain the process to me.
If they can prove that the mother would be a danger to the child, isn't there some kind of restraining order (or something of the sort) that would prevent the mother from having custody? I'm really not sure how this works....
Posted by Girleygirl on March 6, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
CONGRATULATIONS ALLWOMAN!!
When are you due?
Instead of trying to place people on birth control why don't we educate them about sex. I think Coldbeer hit it right on the dot. If you give these young kids birth control then they may start hopping on folks like rabbits...what about diseases and prevention?
Some parents don't even want to take their teen daughters to get the HPV shot so what makes you think people are going to have little girls standing in line for birth control? Besides that you do know that the norplant is not all that great? I know people that had to get it removed because they had bruises all over their body, constant headaches, and blood clots as well. Just imagine having all these little girls standing in line to get the norplant and 5 months down the line one of them die due to mandatory birth control law, do you realize how much trouble the state would be in? Besides that I don't want the government governing EVERYTHING because of a few bad apples out of the bunch. The governnment would have to test every single woman to see what birth control is compatible with their bodies.
We need to teach little girls to keep their trap doors closed and our little boys to keep their little willies in their pants. What was the word that folks use to use back in the day...oh yeah abstinence!!!!
You know what's also funny? On this board certain folks would like to put a number on the amount of kids people can have, but I would like to ask everyone on this board how many kids did your grandparents have?
Posted by Marianne0558 on March 6, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't have any experience in the world of felonies and convictions either, and definitely not any in child abuse/neglect, but:
Just because they place a restraining order or a protective order against the parent, doesn't mean said family members won't give the child to the parent anyway. I mean, it's not like these people are law-abiding citizens anyway.
Posted by Two_Sheds on March 6, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Girleygirl,
You are absolutely right about teaching abstinence to our boys AND our girls. That is the ONLY surefire way to prevent pregnancies.
Posted by Marianne0558 on March 6, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"You know what's also funny? On this board certain folks would like to put a number on the amount of kids people can have, but I would like to ask everyone on this board how many kids did your grandparents have?"
My grandparents had 2 kids-my father and his brother.
SNUB!!!
Posted by Test2007 on March 6, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My grandparents had 10 kids. They loved everyone but I have the feeling that if birth control was available during their time they would not have had so many kids.
While I believe abstinence is the best method of preventing unwanted pregnancies and STIs, I do not think it is a realistic approach. In a perfect world you could tell kids to just say no and they would listen. We all now that that is not how the world works. Kids are having sex even though abstinence only is being taught in the schools (personally I think sex ed should be taught by parents but some parents apparently are not doing this). Education is key.
Posted by ColdBeer on March 6, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You really can't compare our grandparents situation to our situation though. They may have had 6,7 or even 8 kids often back then, but the world was different. Almost no one got divorced, very few women became pregnant out of wedlock, kids were almost always disciplined, the cost of living was cheaper and we were not faced with over population the way we are today.
Having kids is a wonderful experience. People just need to realize that they have to be in a position to properly provide for that kid, mentally, physically and financially, before they start having them. If you can provide for 8, have 8. If you can't provide for 1, don't have any.
Posted by prettywoman2457 on March 6, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This girl is obviously mental. You are right in assuming something else was going on other than what she stated. I don't think she would have pled guilty so fast either. As for young girls being sterilized...hey...make it a part of the regular shots that a child takes for females to get a five year birth control shot at age 10. If they come up with one for boys....do the same. When they have finished high school, then they can stop the shots. I would rather see girls take a shot rather than be sterilized. This crazy woman should be investigated and her case worker as well. Both should spend time behind bars and be labled the same as a child molester for the rest of her life.
Posted by eyfigueroa on March 6, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
congrats allwoman.
Posted by prettywoman2457 on March 6, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ColdBeer....You are right, but you did leave out one important thing about our grandparents.....the mother of those children more than likely stayed at home with them and they learned lessons from responsible parents.
Posted by Girleygirl on March 6, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I Understand that Coldbeer. The reason why I asked that very crazy question was to see if people feel the same way about their grandparents, or parents, or someone else's grandparents and parents. Who made up the rule that two kids are more than enough, and why were'nt my grandparents listening.....you see what I'm saying. You are right if you can take care of a sleuth of kids DO IT and kudos to you, if you can't take care of yourself don't have none. This aint China!!
Posted by Corder2007 on March 6, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey In1959, my husband knows her and the ONLY father of all 3 peronally!!! and the fact that you would make a harsh judgemental comment like that is awful. Irregalrdless of whether there was only 1 father or 3 fathers, 3 innocent angels have been taken from this world.
Posted by devster on March 6, 2008 at 12:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I prefer the term "trash" to "white trash". Trash knows no color. And we all know it is not acceptable to use it the other way around.
Posted by CarolinaWren on March 6, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Buttercup! Three cheers for you!!!!!!!! I read your comment and have to agree with you, it takes two to tango and two to produce a baby. *LOL*
Ticket3477…goodness, goodness…haven’t you gotten up on the wrong side of the bed today.
Re the statement…….. if the child is still deemed unable to make rational decisions(which no 17 year old is) it should be reimplanted/inserted and that way we have no teen pregnancies…..Who will be the one to decide this??? I don’t and have never been able to walk on water or part a sea, so it certainly won’t be me. *L*
It is not only some teens who are guilty of thinking with their hormones and not using common sense but also includes numerous older age groups as well who are guilty of doing the same. It is beyond of what should have or should not have been done to prevent this young female to be able to conceive. It is too late for her babies. They are gone. And she will do it again if she is not stopped NOW! I have adopted children and it breaks my heart that her babies meant so little to her.
Posted by crankyyankee on March 6, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ya'll crack me up! On one hand in this thread you are decrying putting limits on childbirth and in the next thread the same people with ten offspring are ranting about 526 and it's impact on growth in the lowcountry. Ya'll are funny! Where'd ya'll go to skool?
Posted by buttercup on March 6, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)
raregar67 *LMAO" "Donkey kong cereal. right *LOL*
Posted by ColdBeer on March 6, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You confused me crankyyankee. Who are you talking about?
Posted by Hey_U_Guys on March 6, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
My son just turned 2 and NEVER has he been allowed to sleep with us in our bed. He's never asked, and we've never offered. I am way too afraid that he will fall off or get rolled over on. My husband is a super heavy sleeper, and would probably not notice rolling over on our son. This may seem silly but I still check on him periodically, while he is sleeping, to make sure he is still breathing!!! It's a paranoia I have. Even his blanket is tucked under his mattress and doesn't come above his chest...
Posted by LowcountryMoose on March 6, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I propose a plan which would utilize some of our finest South Carolina born and bred government initiatives. We could use PACT test data to find out where the stupidest people live. Take some SC Education Lottery money (since it has done nothing to help schools anyhow) and open up abortion clinics in these neighborhoods.
You could even run a special. Bring in 50 losing lottery tickets, your EBT card and proof that you never even got a GED and it's all free!
Posted by Girleygirl on March 6, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We need to teach older people about sex too!
Due to viagra and other helpful drugs did you all know that STDs for folks 50 and above is on the rise?
LowCountryMoose- that was funny about the lottery tickets and EBT, but folks already are using abortions as a form of birth control and that aint right. Don't get me wrong I am PRO CHOICE but I think its wrong for people to use abortion as a form of birth control.
Posted by RTC on March 6, 2008 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Geez, I leave for awhile and come back to find out that allwoman is pregnant. Just what has been taking place on this forum with all the talk about willies and Donkey Kong cereal?
Just kidding allwoman, congratulations!
Posted by Test2007 on March 6, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Girleygirl - My mother actually told me about this (works in health care). HIV and AIDS is hitting the elderly harder than it used to as well. Besides the fact that it makes me icky (old people and sex) it is happening.
Posted by LowcountryMoose on March 6, 2008 at 1:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You're right Girleygirl. Abortion should be a last resort. Maybe the government could implant some secret device, I'll call it NED, in convenience stores that could detect if you even have an EBT card. It would be installed at just below waist level. If males (they are worse culprits than women regarding unwanted pregnancies) had an EBT card and they tried to purchase lottery tickets, the NED would emit a powerful blast of society-saving energy. Hooray!
NED stands for Nut Elimination Device.
Posted by RTC on March 6, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
LOL@ Test. Just how old is too old for sex? If you are a college grad of 2007, then you must think people over 40 are old, huh? Hate to break it to ya kid, but some people have it in 'em until the day they die.
Just don't go peaking, and you'll be fine.
Posted by Girleygirl on March 6, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
lol @ Test- I guess everyone saw Bob smiling face on TV and said they want to be just like him, huh? Bob got EVERYONE SMILING from ear to ear. Maybe he should be promoting Donkey Kong Cereal along with cialis (spelling)
Alright now I got to stay away from this thread since Allwoman is letting us know there is something in cyber air. I know you and Rare have been getting a little cozy you got something you need to talk about...lol!! Just kidding
Posted by KershawGirl on March 6, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree with buttercup -
mandatory birth control is the worst idea I've ever heard. Birth Control isn't totally safe. There are health risks involved with birth control.
I will never take anything that plays with my body like that, and would move if mandatory birth control existed to some place where I was free to make my own choices. I wouldn't want any daughter of mine subjected to that.
I am a 28 year old female who has never been on birth control and I have never been pregnant. This has happened because I was lucky enough to get an education. Teach boys and girls about their bodies and how to take care of them and no one will need birth control.
She should be punished, but no one gender should have to pay for a those who have made the horrible mistakes.
Posted by Girleygirl on March 6, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
LMAO@ Lowcountry Moose...
I'm voting for NED!!
What type of blast.....?
Nevermind forget the question!!!
Posted by RTC on March 6, 2008 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
KershawGirl, you are so right about the risks of birth control. I know a 24yr. old girl that recently suffered a stroke from the pill. It is terrible to be so young and be in rehab with elderly people trying to gain back your normal functions.
Lack of birth control was not this woman's problem. She is just deranged. Not all woman she be placed on B.C., just because there are a few psychos running around out there.
You have to have it in you to do this type of thing. There is no way to really predict who should have children and who should not.
Posted by RTC on March 6, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey, LowcountryMoose, isn't a vasectomy a form of NED?
It does render "the boys" unfunctional, as they only can fire blanks. It leaves the bullets intact, but removes the gunpowder.
Posted by grannyofsix on March 6, 2008 at 2:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think that when women kill thier children , and found quilty of the fact. I think it should be mandatory. that they be sterilized complety not just have thier tubes tied but all removal of reprodutions organs. One accident I can see But two? No something is not right.
Congrats all women. my prayers for you to have a very happy and healthy baby.
Posted by ColdBeer on March 6, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by Test2007: icky (old people and sex)
I'm thinking when I'm 70 years old that "icky" sex will be better than no sex at all <lol>.
Posted by Test2007 on March 6, 2008 at 2:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm not saying that they shouldn't do it, just that I don't want to visualize it. : )
Posted by eyeinthesky on March 6, 2008 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey Girleygirl.. am I too young to enter the education program for older people! :)
Posted by RTC on March 6, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey Test, just visualize this. They have had Botox and collagen injections, tummy tucks, butt tucks, and what ever else keeps you looking young on the outside.
See, now they will look young and supple, but they just can't smile, because they had one too many Botox injections. :)
Posted by grannyofsix on March 6, 2008 at 2:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
and sex after fifty just think most women have gone through menopause so the risk of getting prego isnt there woohoo no worries giddy up LOL
Posted by Girleygirl on March 6, 2008 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You know what- another case of child abuse
Did anyone see the video of these two women at the freaking car wash spraying a little girl that looks like she is 3 years old? This little girl is screaming and crying and TWO women were holding her down. Now they get to the car wash and put in coins and immediately turned their attention to this child...not at the car.
My heart dropped when Isaw that and I was sick to my stomach!
Now if I saw that happening I would have beat the crap out of these women.
Posted by RTC on March 6, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Girley, where did you see the video?
Posted by grannyofsix on March 6, 2008 at 3 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RTC It was in CNN us news I think I saw it this morning
Posted by 512c on March 6, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
She's got issues... Remember people: children are sexually transmitted... Careful who ya give em to!
Posted by RTC on March 6, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
allwoman, count me in. Did you see the one about the 4 yr.old that was drunk at school? Or read the story about the man that burned in his kids in the dryer, because he was looking for a good time. I found these on fox news.
This world has become so incredibly sick.
Posted by ln1959 on March 6, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Corder2007....
Sounds like a lot of the other cases we have seen online here, so lets see, she had three babies by the same man, but yet she is moving around from home to home all the children died. Hmmmm... Dead beat father I would say.
Hopefully they wont produce any more.
Posted by ColdBeer on March 6, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Some interesting quotes from this young lady's MySpace website:
"I have a baby boy name David Harley Mckinney. He was born 10/16/2007. There is pictures of him only two days old. But besides that more about me."
"I love to be on the computer,hanging out with my friends and the one I care about and love, and Best of all sleeping!!!!!"
Posted by Larz13 on March 6, 2008 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
allwoman....cograts. Advice...avoid the name Willie.
Posted by RTC on March 6, 2008 at 4:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ColdBeer, sounds like she is totally absorbed with herself.
I don't think she can possibly comprehend the meaning of love.
Posted by disco on March 6, 2008 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Of course the girl is totally absorbed with herself - she's 21 and has no business having children that young. It's still no excuse for what she did. She deserves to be in jail for the rest of her life or get the death penalty.
Posted by Girleygirl on March 6, 2008 at 5:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
http://www.wesh.com/news/15510193/detail...
Posted by buttercup on March 6, 2008 at 5:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
allwoman Please avoid the name Willie. My Doctor named her son Peter what a big mistake.*LOL*
Congratulations Allwoman
Posted by pezlady on March 6, 2008 at 9:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This makes me so sad! I am expecting a boy in May, and my older son is almost 5. I guess I am crazy, too and will be again, b/c I loved snuggling up with my baby! I didn't let him sleep with us at night until he was about 2yrs old, but naptimes were Mommy and baby time. And where did she get the idea to put something over his face??? That's ridiculously scary! BTW-Congrats, allwoman!
Posted by SomeTruthPlease on March 6, 2008 at 10:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am a "fitful" sleeper, so I never considered letting any of my boys sleep with me when they were babies. I watched a mother who went to Dr. Michael Baden because she had 4 children die. She firmly believed it was SIDS. The last two were twins, and they died on the same night...the connection other than them being siblings? She had them all in the bed with her. She was heavy, had been drinking on a couple of those occasions, and he let her know, without a doubt, that even having two die from SIDS is extraordinary, 3 or 4, impossible. I tell everyone...don't do it. One arm, the weight of a normal adults, across the chest of an infant, and they are unable to respirate. Crying to alert the parent would be impossible. It happens quickly, is unnecessary, and I would never judge a parent for making a baby sleep in a crib in Mommy/Daddy's room. As for this girl, I don't believe it was accidental. I believe some of the things I hear posted by people that have known her. She'll be unable to harm any more infants that don't ask to be born into that situation as she's looking at quite a few years. I would LOVE at times to have another baby, but it's impossible...and it breaks my heart to see mothers who consider theirs disposable.
Posted by nenna_45 on March 7, 2008 at 2:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Some TruthPlease
Is your mind warped? How could You have four babies die, two on the same night. Sounds like a death sentence to me. I'm glad she's your friend and not mine. You need help................
Posted by CarolinaWren on March 7, 2008 at 7:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
nenna....Please read what SomeTruth wrote again. I have read her post twice and I did not see anywhere where she had claimed the person she was talking was a friend of hers.*S*
Posted by Marianne0558 on March 7, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
disco:
"Of course the girl is totally absorbed with herself - she's 21 and has no business having children that young. It's still no excuse for what she did. She deserves to be in jail for the rest of her life or get the death penalty."
Excuse me!!??!?!?!
Just because she is 21 does NOT mean she can't be a good mother. I had my daughter at 21 and she is the best thing that ever happened to me. I love her more than anything in this world, just as every mother should love their children. Being 21 has nothing to do with it.