Posted by bkeelin on June 26, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Great, just what we need, more baby killers.

Posted by Tammie on June 26, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So THAT'S why those ladies I saw this past weekend were standing on Cannon Street with those signs..? I'm pro-life for myself but just because that's how I feel doesn't mean I reserve the right to push my views on someone else. JMO

Posted by bkeelin on June 26, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yea,

Let's not tell anyone it's wrong to murder someone. Let's stick our heads in the sand as the fabric of our social structure unravels. Forget about speaking out that would be to much trouble.

Murder is murder and it is wrong.

The baby inside of her is a whole seperate person with its own DNA code and everything. What about the rights of that child, does anyone even care about a child being murdered anymore?

Posted by SCdeacinNYC on June 26, 2008 at 4:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree Tammie, I'm pro-life for myself but it's not up to me to dictate how someone else handles these situations. Either way MOST of what Planned Parenthood does isn't abortion...most of those are actually carried out by private physicians. They provide reproductive counseling and treatment to women. Given this state's high teenage pregnancy rate and high infection of almost EVERY STD, I think we could use more education and less opinionated judgment.

This isn't unraveling the fabric of our social structure, give me a break. If it means more education about safe sex, birth control and reproduction at the very LEAST maybe it will do some good.

Posted by bkeelin on June 26, 2008 at 5:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lowcountry Crisis Pregnancy Center is more than capable of counseling teenagers and women on all of these issues.

Devaluation of life is a key factor in the unraveling of our social fabric. That is why there is so much crime and general moral decay. When people fail to value something they have no problem destroying it. Looking at things deeper than the surface and using logic and reason the outcomes are easy to see. The less value we put on life and doing what is right the more we see life and doing what is right discarded like yesterdays trash.

Evil triumphs when good people fail to act. The idea that it's not ok for me but it's ok for someone else doesn't hold water when it comes to murder. clothing choices maybe but murder never.

Posted by siriusly on June 26, 2008 at 6:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm delighted that Planned Parenthood will be opening their facility and I find it frustrating that the pro-lifers posting here are failing, once again, to see the big picture. The best way to prevent abortions it to provide education and services that prevent pregnancy from occurring in the first place.

A would-be mother is a fully realized individual with a life of her own and, during the earliest phases of development, the embryo is but a small cluster of cells with potential. Pregnancy isn't always romantic or blessed or safe. It's a serious, sometimes traumatic, condition and the women that choose to terminate surely do not do so lightly. Regardless, what goes on within the walls of one's own skin is one's own responsibility and no one else's.

Personally, I consider myself both pro-choice and pro-child. Every child born deserves to be wanted, healthy and cared for. I always feel the pro-life protesters would do better in this world to put away the grotesque signage and go volunteer at the nearest orphanage or group home to make better the lives of those children already here.

Posted by YankeeLiberal on June 26, 2008 at 6:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tripsa, from a father of two girls, of Jewish decent (my grandfather was a Jew from Warsaw), and someone who had the incredibly painful and life changing experience of choosing (yes, that's right, choosing!!!) to terminate a pregnancy after being told at 22 weeks gestation that the fetus had zero percent of viable life outside the womb, your comments are absurb, detached from reality, and and insult to me and my family (including the son I did not have!!!). You are comparing my wife and I to Hitler????? If you had your way, my wife and I would not have had the option to choose, and she would have had to carry a fetus with no chance at life just because people like you think you can force your views on us. I'm hoping you'll join me at the opening of this clinic!!

Posted by siriusly on June 26, 2008 at 6:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My mother and father DID want me. I was totally planned. And if they hadn't wanted me, I wouldn't know because I would never have existed. Very simple.

Not all sex ending in conception is consentual, by the way. And, for the record, "selfish" is imposing one's will on another human being when every person has the right to control his/her own body.

Posted by bkeelin on June 26, 2008 at 7:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

a few cells, what planned parenthood propoganda have you been listening to? A new life is a new life. Do you realize it is illegal to abort puppies but it is not illegal to abort a baby.

The best way to prevent abortions is to not perform them and make it illegal to do so.

Please don't tell me I don't have the right to tell someone they don't have the right to murder someone. It is not only my right but my responsibility to tell someone not to murder someone, even if they carry that person inside of them.

I am sorry for the doctors report you received, but I have heard countless stories about the doctors being wrong and the baby being healthy and happy. My wife had a miscarriage and it wasn't until after the ultrasound and the heart monitor verified that the baby was already dead that she underwent the procedure to remove our baby from her womb. If you saw someone about to take a meat hook to an infant child wouldn't you tell them to stop. That is essentially what abortion boils down to. They take an instrument that looks like a small hook and compared to the size of the baby it would be like a meat hook in a slaughter house, and they rip the baby from the womb. And on the occasion that the baby comes out alive they leave it to die in a little dish and throw it away with the rest of the bio-hazard trash, or they sell it to researchers and not only make money from the one having the abortion but from the traffic of body parts.

It is a heineous crime similar to the ancient pagans who burned their babies in the fire or killed them on an altar.

You don't have to like the truth and you don't have to believe the truth, but you cannot deny the truth.

Posted by coolfreaknbeans on June 26, 2008 at 7:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All this reminds me of a shirt I saw.I'm pro choice-now that Im safe.I consider myself prolife.But I also believe that women should have the right to choose in the case of the (TRUE,MEDICAL)endangerment of the life of the mother or child.And I don't mean BS reasons like headaches or gee pregnancy is hard or I don't wont stretch marks.Abortion doctors have admitted that the fetus could most likely feel pain.The choice is yours,but have fun living with it if you did it selfishly.

Posted by siriusly on June 26, 2008 at 8:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bkeelin - I stand by my previous posts. There is truth, which is dependent upon one's point of view, and there is hard fact. And the fact here is that, regardless of how badly you want to believe otherwise, you DO NOT have a say in how others manage their own bodies.

Furthermore, it is utterly sensational to compare a medical procedure with burning infants as a sacrifice. That comparison alone is tantamount to propaganda. The termination of a pregnancy is awful, but in some cases it is necessary and it is important to keep the procedure safe and legal. I will not be swayed by graphic and emotional rhetoric to change my mind on this matter.

YankeeLiberal - I'm sorry to hear of your loss, but I'm glad to hear that your family survived such a heartbreaking ordeal and I applaud your hope that the community will join you at the clinic's opening. I know I will.

Posted by jamgoldberg on June 26, 2008 at 8:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You pro-choice people sure have proven your ignorance on abortions. I speak from personal experience, it was nothing like you all describe. Mine was performed at a hospital, not an "abortion clinic." I had to terminate, because the baby's kidneys were not functioning and my OB, an ultrasound tech and a genetics councilor stated that the baby would not survive outside the womb. It was not a fun experience and I think about my baby just about every day, but with the same situation, I would do it all again. If abortion was illegal, I would have to carried the baby to term, which would have been harder on us.

Planned Parent doesn't only perform abortions, they help people get informed about birth control and all issues associated with reproduction.

Posted by YankeeLiberal on June 26, 2008 at 8:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sirius, thank you for your voice of reason.
Tripsa, you don't deserve to be in the conversation. Our doctors (several of them, in several different hospitals, including a major teaching hospital in New England) told us the same exact thing (that the fetus had no viability)after multiple tests, multiple ultrasounds, etc, etc). Do you think we would take this lightly, and trivialize the only shot we had at having a son????? You did not walk in our shoes, feel our pain and our loss, detect a look of extreme worry on the ultrasound tech's face, and have to explain to your older child why her brother did not make it. So get off your pulpit. Our pain was our pain, and your truth is yours, not ours, and no, you are not sorry for our experience, that is pathetic.

Posted by moephishwater on June 26, 2008 at 9:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I sometimes find it absoutely humoring that some individuals are against the idea of abortion, yet they fight for less gun control. I find it ironic. If you are saying that murder is murder, you are saying there is never a reason to take a life. That would include execution of criminals, self defense, and the killing of soldiers in a war. Any type of killing is wrong, correct? I don't remember being a fetus, do you? I find it absolutely appalling that humans find it wrong to kill a fetus, but no problem going to the local BBQ place and eating a pig. If you value life so much, why not value all life? Since a fetus can feel than I assume a chicken, cow, and pig can as well. Is it that you just consider yourself and a fetus so much more valuable? Seriously, why is it that certain things and people are OK to kill, but not a fetus? I have never had an abortion, and probably never would. However, I think that is is every woman's right to choose. What if people were not given the options to CHOOSE to kill and eat meat? Can you imagine if PETA enforced their views on all citizens? Would you be ok with that? Why should any of us enforce a women's right to choose to give birth? Many choose the life of an animal who has no choice in being eaten. Sure, we are "on top of the foodchain", but wouldn't we also be considered "above" a fetus? There are plenty of people who make a mistake, and it would not be in the best interest of the CHILD to bring it in to the world. I think that's a pretty good gift to give the unborn flesh. The gift to not have a life of poverty and parent's who may not want him/her. Sure, adoption is always an option, but if every single baby that was conceived was born, we would be overpopulated (to say the least).