Posted by palmettotree on June 23, 2008 at 7:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The girl, maybe a cousin and only 13 but I hope they get her for kidnapping. She put the life of that baby in danger and worried a mother just so that she can go out. How stupid can you be. I am glad that all is well with the baby and the mother.

Posted by Early on June 23, 2008 at 8:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm confused on the living arrangements???????

Anyway, 13 years old and stole a car and kidnapped a baby. Her IQ must be the same as the one executed Saturday. Nobody will miss a baby and myself? Just had to go see that boy uh? Thank God she didn't kill herself, the baby or someone else.

Posted by Whoorutalking2 on June 23, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am just elated that the baby was not harm and return home safely.

Early...living arrangements??????
Is that really important at this particular moment?

I digress again I am just happy that the baby is safe.

Posted by ColdBeer on June 23, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's just simply amazing that no one was hurt. I'm glad the baby is home safe.

Posted by RTC on June 23, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I would beat that girl's behind so badly that she wouldn't even think about touching my baby again.
It's amazing that she drove that far and didn't have an accident. I sure am glad the baby girl is okay.

Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on June 23, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ms. Wright,
You should get to the bottom of whatever it is that made your little cousin, the inexperienced driver she is, steal you car… and your baby. While your relationship may have seemed alright, something is troubling her or she is interested in someone and/or something that you obviously would never agree to allow her to engage in.

Once that is cleared up, enforce a punishment that is so steep she will take the time to think and actually use her common sense before pulling a stunt like that again. I would turn 'home' into 'bootcamp.'

I am sure you have mulled over various scenarios in your mind of how this could have had a tragic ending…if not, I am doing it for you. Thank God they are both fine.

Posted by gamecockwoman on June 23, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

this doesn't exactly look like the model family. Guess the baby daddy is nowhere around, either......why is 22 year old Mom livin' w/uncle-----nobody in this house is exactly doing the right thing. Guess the 13 year old was just following past examples. She'll have one of her own before you know it.....

Posted by scnative4ever on June 23, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

They should have arrested the mother too.

Posted by ColdBeer on June 23, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

gamecockwoman and Gadsen, while I'm one of the loudest when it comes to voicing my opinions about people having children that they cannot properly raise, there is not enough information in this article to make an assumption that this family falls in to that catagory.

Posted by drp7773 on June 23, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well said Gadsden......Schools have become daycare clinics for kids these days, they pass kids in order to move them out of school and not have to contend with the parents or kids. I have never seen such disrespect from the kids to the school officials and the parents just stand back and do nothing , oh yeah they raised these kids to disrespect them too....But oh well send them to time out in their rooms with all the tv's and stereo's,cellphones, video games and the internet, we know how bad this punishment can be!!!!!!! Just buy them another pair of baggy pants so when you sending them to their rooms the can let the pants fall down to their ankles and show you some more disrespect by looking at their arse's on their way out.

Posted by theronce on June 23, 2008 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree that this could be a case of another brat that has been told that she is special, and that brat has no fear of a parent, anyone in authority, the law, or God. She has seldom if ever taken "no" for an answer. You best be the boss of a brat, or the brat will be your boss.

Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on June 23, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Early,
I am not sure what Ms. Wright’s situation is and it may sound odd, but based on my personal experience, it is really not odd for some individuals from extremely large families to open their doors to their relatives. For instance, I have siblings, nieces, nephews and cousins whom I have implored over the years to come and live with me to start their lives anew in the various areas where I have had the fortune to live. I have done this, not because they are doing poorly, but because I looked at the opportunities that might be available to them and felt that they could use my resources as a hand up or means to move the next level in their lives/careers. I am from a huge family and I am selective about the relatives to whom I would extend my invitation given my line of work…even exercising selectivity the extension would be pretty large. As long as I have the resources to share, I will always ensure that my family and extended family is taken care of. That's probably uncle's role in this family. Just my thoughts!

Gamecockwoman,
Relatives cohabitating is not always a sign of criminal mentality or wrong doing; not everyone is trying to pool welfare checks to milk the government. In fact being able to rely on family is what keeps some people off of public assistance.

RTC, I wanted to say “spank her behind,” but I am working on the getting where I need to be in the NT…:-)

Posted by Early on June 23, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My_50Cents_Worth, I don't disagree with you. My comment was I'm confused on the living arrangement. But I re-read it. I think it says the toddler stays in the same room as the 13 year old. The mother of the toddler lives with her uncle and his 13 year old daughter, correct? But after re-reading it I have to ask where is the aunt or husband?
while I don't disagree with your post, it would be abnormal for my family to have relatives pop in and live with us but we are not from a extremely large family, most of us two kids.

Posted by carolinamommyof4 on June 23, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So happy for this family!!

The homes in the background of this picture appear to be in a nice subdivision.
In this day and time, we don't have to assume the father is absent. We can assume he is deployed as lots of fathers are.

She was living with her uncle and helping care for his children, she checked on them at 3 am and then was going to wake them up for church. Sounds like an okay family to me.

Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on June 23, 2008 at 10:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Early:
The true details of the arrangement are only up for speculation. Aunt could have passed on, or could be the “former aunt.” "Aunt" may never have been made "official" through matrimony. Husband/baby’s father, as we know, does not necessarily have to be actively involved. Juvenile niece could be there because she and uncle are close, plus uncle already has a son close to her age so they are being raised like bro/sis. Adult niece could be there to help uncle raise the two kids together…and BTW she has a small child of her own…Who knows…we can mix and match this thing all day.

Posted by gamecockwoman on June 23, 2008 at 11:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ever notice that in normal families, all this conjecture isn't necessary? Great to help out relatives and all that, all for the extended family support. However, if the 22 yr old had not done it backwards, assuming there is no baby daddy in picture and the 13 yr old has a parent somewhere, we wouldn't be wondering about all this, would we? Agreed, 13 yr old has probably done whatever she pleases with no consequences. Lots less confusion when Mom and Dad raise their kids and everybody has boundaries and respect. That's all......meanwhile, let's hear it for our tax dollars and WIC.........gotta go to work now so those on WIC don't have to.

Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on June 23, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, people work everyday and use WIC. FYI: Lower grade enlisted military families [ who put their butts on the line everyday] rely on WIC; I'm certain the 19 year old soldier, his 18 year old bride and their baby would be proud to know that there are some in America who believe they sit around eating bonbons all day. Great perspective.

CMo4, good point about deployments. They can create some "odd" living arrangements as well.

Posted by ColdBeer on June 23, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A "what if" for you...

What if Sierra Wright is married? Maybe her husband is deployed in Iraq. What if her aunt recently died or became sick and Sierra Wright temporarily moved in with her uncle to help take care of their kids?

WIC is abused, but not everyone on WIC is unemployed. When I retired from the military, E-4's and below with one baby still qualified for WIC.

Valid points are lost when you mix them with ignorance, assumptions, stereotypes and stupidity.

Posted by Newt on June 23, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My goodness! Do any of you guys remember being a teenager? You remember when you pushed boundaries and tested your parents resolve.
I am NOT saying that taking the child was correct!!!! I am NOT saying she made a good choice….What I am saying is that teens make stupid decisions and that does not mean she should have a permanent criminal mark on her record.
As far as “cutting her butt” comments….physically abusing your children is not discipline, it IS physical abuse! “Time Out” is not the only form of discipline and punishment that should be employed to correct a child’s behavior. There are several techniques; when combined can offer parents alternatives to beating their children. Hitting teaches hitting.

Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on June 23, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Great minds...,CB. Ya'll have a good one, CHS!

Posted by tiffhug on June 23, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by gamecockwoman on June 23, 2008 at 9:22 a.m.

this doesn't exactly look like the model family. Guess the baby daddy is nowhere around, either......why is 22 year old Mom livin' w/uncle-----nobody in this house is exactly doing the right thing. Guess the 13 year old was just following past examples. She'll have one of her own before you know it.....

Wow, you are a psychic. You got all of that from this article. Well it says she is living with her uncle to help take care of her 2 cousins. Hummm... maybe their mom died and they don't have a mother in the home and dad is trying to work to take care of them. We don't know why they are living with her uncle. It doesn't surprise me that you have assumed the worse. That is par for the course. We are all so judgmental of others and their situations, taking no regard for our own. I don't know one person that has had a perfect life. If you do or if you have, God has truly blessed you. The important part of this story is the baby was returned unharmed. I am quite certain the teen will get what she has coming to her for her bad decision.

Posted by tiffhug on June 23, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by ColdBeer on June 23, 2008 at 11:31 a.m.

A "what if" for you...

What if Sierra Wright is married? Maybe her husband is deployed in Iraq. What if her aunt recently died or became sick and Sierra Wright temporarily moved in with her uncle to help take care of their kids?

WIC is abused, but not everyone on WIC is unemployed. When I retired from the military, E-4's and below with one baby still qualified for WIC.

Valid points are lost when you mix them with ignorance, assumptions, stereotypes and stupidity.]

Very well stated. Thank you so much for being one of the voices of reason and not being judgmental. I get so tired of people making assumptions about situations based on a few lines of an article. There are many reasons why this young lady could be in the living situation that she is, but we just don't know. Again thank God the baby was returned safely.

Posted by Charles_Town on June 23, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Newt, I remember being a teen and pushing limits with my parents at time. But taking a baby, relative's or not, taking my parent's vehicle to drive to another city to visit a friend between 3-8am? I guess I knew my parent's limits were nowhere close to that far out there. I would not have not thought of doing any 1 of those three let alone all at once. I guess some people grew up in some very lenient households.

Posted by gamecockwoman on June 23, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tiffhug, I hope you are right but I rather doubt it. As far as being judgmental goes, from the looks of society these days, isn't it time somebody get's back to being judgmental and calling right right and wrong wrong? If we aren't to be judgmental, then let's let all the prisoners out of jail and don't judge their behavior - nothing different than judging immoral and improper behavior.As far as the 19 yr old military man and his 18 year old wife and their daughter, etc., maybe they should exercise better judgment and perhaps wait to marry and have a family until they are able to afford it....at least that's what we used to do.You'd be surprised to see the big screen tvs, hot cars/trucks, and stereos these young military people have.....I truly appreciate the sacrafice, but Our Wonderful God has given us all Free Will-we just don't always use it properly.

Posted by Newt on June 23, 2008 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Not lenient, just unknowing. Climbing out windows in the dead of night, pushing the car down the driveway so they couldn’t hear it start. Saying you are spending the night with a friend and the friend tells her parents she is staying with you……the list of bad things a teen can do is long!
Like I stated…. I am NOT saying that taking the child was correct!!!! I am NOT saying she made a good choice. I am saying prison is not the correct way to punish this teen.
The best is that the baby is OK! In the end that is all that really matters about this report!

Posted by RTC on June 23, 2008 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My_50Cents_Worth, It's okay to spank a child. Quite a difference between spanking and abusing. Remember: "Spare the rod and spoil the child." See, there is wisdom in those old sayings.
My initial reaction when I read this article was total anger towards that girl for scaring the poop out of the mother and endangering that baby.
I guess that's why we need a cooling down period before we react to these types of situations.
I agree that this girl's behavior patterns need to be explored, since she apparently hasn't caused any problems that we know about.
The situation in that household is not really relevant to what took place, as this type of thing could have happened in a typical family setting where an older sibling could have done the same thing.
I still would skin that girl alive for what she did. She thought of no one but herself, and that little miss needs a rude awakening.

Posted by Early on June 23, 2008 at 11:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Whatever on the rest.

It is a shame that our lower military ranks qualify for food stamps. You can get your head blown off but we won't pay you well for doing it.

Posted by Newt on June 23, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gamecockwoman – you have a very broad brush that you paint the world with. Bad decision on the part of a teen to letting out all the prisoners? Wow, that is a huge leap.
I think that tiff is asking, who made you the judge? Prisoners had a trial/or a plea deal, completely different from your assuming things about Ms. Wright or her family situation. Assuming she is on WIC or that the father of the child is not around; seems to me you are very bitter and that would preclude you from being a judge of anyone.

Posted by monckscornermomof2 on June 23, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank God that McKenia Wright is home safe and sound and that this family is not planning a funeral. Nobody knows the situation the mom or the uncle are in and why mom is staying with the uncle. The baby's dad could have passed away or be deployed or took off when he found out mom was pregnant (happens all the time I know from personal experiance). For anyone to say that the 13 yr old has not been disciplined in the past they don't know that either. She could have been disciplined and not care about the consequinces. She is a teenager they have it in their minds that nothing will happen to them I know I thought that when I was a teenager. There is also nothing wrong with spanking your kids. Spanking and beating are two completely differnt things. Spanking in on the bottom, with a belt and the number of times of the childs age. Each child has to be disciplined differently. As far as people being on WIC. My husband and I both work and qualify for WIC. WIC is there to help out the kids and make sure that they get certain things that they need. Just because a family gets WIC does not mean that they sit around all day and take advantage of the state or public assistance. I have known people in the military that both of them work and they qualify for WIC. Nobody knows the living arrangements and what goes on in the house. So NOBODY should assume that the 13 yr old in not disciplined or that any abuse is going on. Maybe she has mental problems (not saying that she does), maybe she is bipolar or maybe she has ADD/ADHD. No one knows this information so why assume that nobody is making her behave. There are any number of things that could have gone through that 13 yr old brain of hers to make her do what she did. At least both girls are safe and nobody else was hurt. The 13 yr old should get charged with kidnapping and theft since she stole the car.

Posted by Early on June 23, 2008 at 12:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let me ask out of curiosity; what does it take to qualify for WIC?
Two people making minimum wage?

Posted by Two_Sheds on June 23, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden,

I agree with you about how ineffective "time out" can be. I like Jeff Foxworthy's comments about time outs: "In my house, "time out" meant that my Daddy took "time out" of his busy day to come home and cut our a--!"

I try to save spankings as a last resort--taking away priveleges seems to work better. But my kids know that if their behavior gets too out of hand, they just may get a visit from Elmer (our wooden paddle).

Posted by wpc3iop on June 23, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Probably a teenage penis and/or some drugs involved in the 13 year old's sneaking out...

Posted by Early on June 23, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Never mind, a family of 4 can make about 40k
Family of 5 about 46k and a family of 6 can make
about 53k. This is at 184% of poverty?
Let's add this to the family of 4 that makes less than 54k a year can qualify for Medicare. No wonder we have so many people on the program. It pays not to make much in this state. No wonder we are in the tax mess we are in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Two_Sheds on June 23, 2008 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wpc3iop,

You know how some kids brag to their friends about how they have the latest high-tech gadgets, article of clothing, etc.? Well, maybe she was sneaking the baby out to brag to her friends that she has one too! In that culture, she may be the only 13 year old who DOESN'T, and she was feeling left out. LOL.

Posted by telitlikeitis on June 23, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gamecockwoman-you sound real racist with your comments.They may be taking care of a elderly or sick uncle.I dont know what story you read but this one didnt give that much info. You cannot assume because they are black they have a ebt card in there pocket!!!!!(fyi-ebt is the food stamp card )The babys father could be dead,fighting in the war,etc. Yes this 13yearold should be punished but not as a adult,we all did crazy stuff when we was young that could have hurt us or someone else.I bet she is sorry for what happened and the craziness she may have caused. Dont assume unless you know because you look like a jack azz!!!!!!!

Posted by monckscornermomof2 on June 23, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There are guidlines for qualifying for WIC. It depends on the number of people in your family. For example if you have a family of 4 you can make no more that $2900 a month. I don't know the exact numbers but I have known people that were Tech Sergents in the Air Force their wife worked for a Dr's office making decent money and they qualified for WIC. And just because someone qualifies for WIC does not mean that they have it. I qualify but I don't have it. I don't get food stamps or anything else. When I was a single mother I qualified for state assistance and didn't use it. No one knows if this mother uses state assistance and it does not matter. The important thing is that preciouse baby is home safe in her mother's arms and the 13 yr old will get punished. It is nobody's place to put down the mother or the uncle for the living arrangements so nobody knows why they have those living arrangements. It is also nobody's place to assume that the 13 yr old has not been disciplined for things she has done in the past. It is definatly nobody's place to put the mother down. She did not tell the 13 yr old her take my baby and my car (that you don't know how to drive) and go to North Charleston. At least everyone is ok and anyone who thinks that the mother is a bad mother or the uncle is doing something wrong should think twice. This was a 13 yr old teenager. I didn't do anything dumb like that when I was kid and I never would have tried to do it but everyone makes their own mistakes. I remember being a teenager and I was by no means perfect. I was spanked as a child and I was taught right from wrong and I did still mess us. The newspaper article states that the 13 yr old has never done anything like this before. Maybe she was testing her limits. Who knows. Don't judge people just be thankful that no one was hurt.

Posted by gamecockwoman on June 23, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dearest telitlikeitis (btw, that's spellt rong)...who said anything about being black? Mom looks pretty white to me. Besides, WIC knows no color - I'm still wondering where is baby daddy for both ll mo and 13 year old -- some parenting would be nice here....who said anything about color? ? ? I know, it's the telephone game.......

Posted by retirednavy on June 23, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Newt on June 23, 2008 at 11:33 a.m.

"Hitting teaches hitting"

Gimme a break....

Posted by Newt on June 23, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden – I have 2 children. Very well behaved and social adjusted! Do they get in trouble, yes, do they get punished, yes. I have never beaten my children! You are just as assuming as gamecockwoman….assume you know what is going on is someone’s household without knowing a stinking think about anyone! Assume – makes an ass out of you, but not out of me!
I am not a pill popping maniac that gives their children drugs to control their behavior either! I’m doing good to take an aspirin for a headache….but after reading your absurd rant about liberals not beating their children enough; I think a bottle of aspirin will be needed.
And if you would read what I wrote, instead of what you WANTED me to write, then you would know I said “cutting her butt” was abuse, I never said anything about a “Sometimes a swift pop on the rear and the explanation, "because I said so and if you try me again you'll get another" is the best line of discipline for young people.” DID I? NO, you right wing NUT!

Posted by retirednavy on June 23, 2008 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

actually, the Mom is black.

Posted by gamecockwoman on June 23, 2008 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

oops......still race wasn't mentioned......

Posted by Newt on June 23, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by retirednavy on June 23, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by Newt on June 23, 2008 at 11:33 a.m.
"Hitting teaches hitting"
Gimme a break....
What else does it teach? That you respect them as individuals? That you can solve a problem by something other than violence? That talking something out is acceptable form of negotiating? No, all it teaching them is that because you are older and stronger you get to hurt them in some fashion.
All I have to do in a public building, from across the room, LITERALLY, is hold up my fingers, one at a time, counting to three and my children immediately get their behinds in line and make a straight line to where I am. Sounds better behaved than your beaten children to me!

Posted by drp7773 on June 23, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just think the (experts) lol may just come up with another disorder for this geez maybe stupodkiditis or bi dont want to do a damn thing im told cause im spoiled rottenroller or I cant sneak out the house without waking the baby but i can sneak out with the baby and not wake her up and i need a box of chocolates. ya never know we maybe looking at a legend here..

Posted by gamecockwoman on June 23, 2008 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

geeze, Newt - take a pill - calm down......

Posted by alwaysangel on June 23, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gamecockwoman, how dare you. I am a MARRIED mom with kids and I use WIC. I also WORK 40 hours a week and still don't make enough to support my family and pay all the bills. So don't you dare get on here and make assumptions that people on WIC don't work. I'm on my day off or I'd be AT work. People like you give us southerners a bad name.

Posted by ColdBeer on June 23, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gamecockwoman, being judgmental when you know what the facts are... know what you're talking about... is fine. Being judgmental when you've simply projected your own assumptions in to a situation, as you have in this case, is just plain stupid. You may also want to note that it is not possible for a person to spell their own user-id wrong but it is possible, as in your post, to spell real words wrong, such as "sacrifice". In the short number of post you've made, you've already shown you don't have the intelligence to offer any constructive or thoughtful insights or opinions. You simply spew what you've heard others say, regardless of it the comment applies to the situation or not. Disagreeing with other opinions is fine... that's what these message boards are all about. You don't disagree though, do you? That would require understanding what you yourself are typing. Go back to your hole...

Posted by telitlikeitis on June 23, 2008 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gamecockwoman-yes you do sound racist-what does this sound like-this doesn't exactly look like the model family. Guess the baby daddy is nowhere around, either......why is 22 year old Mom livin' w/uncle-----nobody in this house is exactly doing the right thing. Guess the 13 year old was just following past examples. She'll have one of her own before you know it.....- this is the comment you posted ,may not be able to spell but i can copy and paste!!!!!

Posted by Girleygirl on June 23, 2008 at 1:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gamecockwoman- the story is about a baby being found safe and sound, not about the living arangements her family has. Let's be grateful the child was found safe and not assume the worse of all things.

We can always wonder about what programs the 17 teenagers in MA will be able to get since they started their preganancy pact. That's enought to p-iss me off!

Posted by Yeah_I_said_it on June 23, 2008 at 1:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden:

You say your mother-in-law has WIC, is she pregnant, breastfeeding, or have children under the age of 5? If not, you would be referring to Food Stamps and not WIC in your post as WIC is only for pregnant or breasfeeding women, infants, and children up to age 5.

Posted by drp7773 on June 23, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Girleygirl:

The mayor is on tv now denying that the prinicpal is wrong, and she and the cities lawyer is standing there not allowing her to answer important questions, another cover up on the way

Posted by Mayor on June 23, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Has anyone seen a Dad? Check Charleston County Jail, or Dorchester County Jail.

I'd rather have relatives in Charleston County Jail, at least they don't steal from you.

Our news is more amazing than LA, Las Vegas and such. Check it out. Our fool flunkouts make this a hotbed of police blotter euphoria.

Posted by Yeah_I_said_it on June 23, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Coldbeer,

I would like to thank you for your well thought out and written posts. Some people would rather assume the worst about others than to expand their small minds to other possibilities.

Posted by Girleygirl on June 23, 2008 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DRP- what channel? I would like to watch that right now. I watched CNN and was sick to my stomach.

Posted by Newt on June 23, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden wrote: To say that just because your kids never needed a spanking, no kids do, and to make parents criminals for paddling is your own self-centeredness and projecting your beliefs on others -- kinda like what you would probably accuse the fundies you hate so much of doing. Response: I never said my kids didn’t need a spanking, I stated other form of discipline that work for my children. I have seen children that were “spanked” by their parents and they turned out fine and I have children that were “butt cut” by their parents and they turned out SICK! AND WTF is a fundies?
Gadsden wrote: I guess maybe if YOU were this child's parent she never would have kidnapped a baby and stolen a car, huh? Response: Not saying I would be a better parent to this 13 year old, but I’m not so OLD and BITTER that I can’t remember what being a teenager was like. It is hard being young and stupid! Yes, all youths are stupid! They do not have the life experiences to make sound judgments, they think IT won’t happen to them, they think they won’t get caught, they even think “it’s not THAT bad”. Was it bad, YES! Should she go to jail at 13, NO!
Gadsden wrote: Maybe YOU should be put in charge as head disiplinarian of the CC school district. Response: Do you mean disciplinarian? No, I would never assume that I am qualified for that position. And, darn tootin’ I’d do a better job than you! Much smarter people than you or I have come to the conclusion that corporal punishment should not be doled out by educators, that is best left to the discretion of the parents! Just like my type of discipline should be left up to me and you can go home a hit your child and tell them that you love them!
Gamecockwoman – you are a racist and you don’t even know it! Bit Me!

Posted by Yeah_I_said_it on June 23, 2008 at 1:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden:

That would be food stamps that she gets and she uses an EBT (electronics benefits transfer) card. WIC comes in the form of paper vouchers that have prescribed foods on it that a person can get monthly. These foods are normally milk, cereal, eggs, juice, cheese, dried beans, peanut butter, carrots, tuna, etc. and for babies; formula and baby cereal. I don't doubt that there are people that abuse these benefits, but to assume that this woman was on WIC or Food Stamps is not right (I am not saying that you made that assumption, but it was made and that is how we got on this subject).

Posted by grannyofsix on June 23, 2008 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

my late husband had a way with disciplining the kids. he would take them in the bedroom talk to them not yell at them told them why he thought what they did was wrong then explained why he had to tear their butt up all this without getting mad my kids dreaded that more then anything . my now 41 year old daughter once snuck out the window I say once because she was caught and daddy took her to the bedroom and had the talk with her now my daughter remembers this fondly

Posted by ColdBeer on June 23, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden, when I joined the Navy in 1983, E-3's and E-4's did not qualify for WIC or food stamps. When Clinton took office, one of the first things he did (after allowing homosexuals to serve) was to cap the annual military pay raise so that it was, at most, 1% below the cost of living increase for the previous year. For the next 8 years, every person serving in the military became poorer as their pay did not keep up with the cost of living. By the time I retired, E-4's qualified for WIC. It happens to civilian jobs too. It's happening to MANY right now.

My point is simply that you can't blame everything on President Bush. He has actually improved the rate of pay for the military while he has been in office. You can dislike, or even hate, President Bush for many reasons, but he has treated the men and women in the military well when it comes to pay and benefits.

Posted by Newt on June 23, 2008 at 2:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hit – synonyms: slap, smack! Same words you used! I have not said that my form of discipline is the only form that should be followed! And I by no means believe I am the “be all end all on parenting”, greatgoogliegamoo….who has the right to say that? Those are the things you want me to say so you can try to make me out as wrong. I not worried about right or wrong….you do things your way and I’ll do things my way and we’ll see in 15 years how it all turns out.
Damn right I’m proud of my kids! One will be president and the other will be a free thinking, hell raiser, who never went to jail or became a statistic of teen pregnancy!
The same way you try to portray me as a liberal nut is the same way I am portraying you as a neocon, so I guess we’re tied.
It is completely different discussion about religion! You are always wrong when it comes to your “white guy in the sky that wants your money”, so let’s not go there!
MY KARMA RAN OVER MY DOGMA

Posted by telitlikeitis on June 23, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

major-wow did the p&c send you a different newspaper because i saw nothing about that!!!! What if this man is dead or just hasnt been mentioned yet.Whats wrong with you people. Maybe your man is in chas county jail,is that why you know they dont steal ?????? HOW DO YOU KNOW THESE THINGS!!!!!!DONT WANT TO JUDGED THEN DONT JUDGE OTHERS.

Posted by Tammie on June 23, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Er..um...all comments made, I am glad the lil one is home safely and most importantly, ALIVE.

Gamecockwoman, tsk tsk tsk @ your generalizations. None of us know the young mother's situation so let's not be so hasty to judge.

Newt, calm down or I will unleash the Flying Spaghetti Monster in your neighborhood. :-)

ColdBeer, thanks for being the voice of reason.

I missed some of you guys. Lol

Posted by grannyofsix on June 23, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Girlygrl if your still here i got yours and Tammie's email Thanks

Posted by Newt on June 23, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank goodness my children will be able to decide for themselves about religion and I could care less if someone’s feelings get hurt because they believe in a secret garden where the snakes talk or burning bushes with stone tablets. That’s just crazy talk anyway!
AGAIN – WTF is a fundie???????
Sanctimonious – please! There is nothing pious about me or you! We are just 2 strangers discussing child raising techniques that got a little over zealous on both sides. You say tomato and I say potato; they are both still vegetables…..or is a tomato a fruit because it grows on a vine? Oh, never mind!
It is good to know that just because you tilt a little to the right that you are not also an organized religious freak, like most righties!

Posted by Newt on June 23, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've been on vacation with my family for a week....I can't help myself! Do you know how hard it is to not have my daily argument release!

Posted by Yeah_I_said_it on June 23, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden,

The WIC program started in 1972 because the govenment saw that there were high incidences of infant mortalities and low birth rates. These were more prevalent in the poorer and lower income families. In an effort to curtail the epidemic, the WIC program was developed so that these woman and children would receive the much needed nutrition during the essential times of the baby's life; this time being pre-natal through five years of age. Like many government programs, WIC is looked down upon as the government giving these low income/poor mothers a reason to continue to reproduce. And as with many other programs, some of these mothers have found ways to "beat the system". Some don't claim all of their income, some claim daycare/babysitting fees that they don't pay, some claim the father isn't around when he is actually laying next to them each night they go to bed.

It is sad that people would take the time and cheat a system when the government was merely trying to look out for the best interest of the people. Now, they need to find a way to look out for the best interest of the tax payers and the people that receive the benefits honestly. It has gotten out of hand.

Now, back to the article, I am happy the baby was returned unharmed and I would spank all hell out of my niece!

Posted by Mayor on June 23, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

telitlikeitis....these posts are so far over your head, your Air Jordans can't get you there.

Can you spell, spell? Not.

His post is one of the funniest things ever. Why isn't he working somewhere? Application, unreadable.

Posted by alwaysangel on June 23, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden, man I was in your corner too. But you say illegal, do you know that for a fact? I mean just because someone is mexican or hispanic doesn't necessarily mean they're illegal. They could be Puerto Rican too man or legal american citizens, just saying.

Posted by alwaysangel on June 23, 2008 at 2:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And yes, I am P*ssed at the republicans who have ruined this country and made it impossible for a working family like mine to make ends meet. I make $20,000 a year and 10 years ago that was considered lower middle class. Now it's barely above poverty. And that's not including my husband's income. Anyway, back to the real topic. I'm glad the baby is home safely and hopefully someone gives that brat a good spanking.

Posted by ColdBeer on June 23, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was fortunate with my kids. For some reason, I was able to instill a fear of misbehaving in them just by using my voice and eyes. I never had to spank any of them. I would have though, in a heart beat, if the need had arisen.

While I’ll agree that, most of the time, the parents have a lot of input on the way a child behaves, some of the rowdiest kids I ever knew were frequently spanked or disciplined in other ways (time out, restriction, Etc.). Sometimes a child is just born to be wild.

Who knows what the case is in this story. Hopefully it will get figured out and properly addressed. I’m just glad (and amazed) that no one was hurt. Not many inner city kids can drive a car at 13 years old.

Posted by Early on June 23, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tammie, did you and allwoman get booted off last week?

Posted by Newt on June 23, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

HaHaHa! Not just a time-out! I stinking hope not just a time-out!

Posted by Yeah_I_said_it on June 23, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Early,

allwoman was booted off. She has been suspended for 30 days because of "off topic" posts and because she said that she was going to see if she could shut the board down just to piss that dude (can't recall his name right now) off. She will not be returning once the suspension is lifted.

Posted by monckscornermomof2 on June 23, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think most of the comments on here have focused away from the story. The sad truth is that an 11 month old little girl was taken in the night by her 13 yr old cousin and the 13 yr old stole a car. It is NOT about whether or not mom is on WIC, gets foodstamps, the baby is on Medicaid why mom and baby live with the uncle or where the baby daddy is. It is also not about who is right or wrong on disciplining your kids or your religion. Everyone should be think about the fact that this young mother was put through HELL yesterday worrying about her baby girl and her cousin. I bet you that she was not worried about who spanks their kids or who gets government help or anything else that has been discussed on here today. I bet she was worried and going out of her mind wanting to know where her baby and cousin were. The home situation does not matter (goverment assistance, baby daddy or how you feel about discipline). What matters is that the girls were found and the wrong will be corrected. The 13 yr old is sitting in Juvie waiting to see a judge according to the article. I bet she is scared out of her mind. Think about what the family went through and think and hope that they get this figured out and straightened out instead of laying your morals or values on everyone. Not everyone is going to agree with everyone. And everyone will believe that their way of disciplining is right. And just for the record I was spanked as a kid and I turned out fine I was NOT ABUSED!!!!!! Also I spank my child (if needed and as a last resort) she knows that I love her and that if she does get a spanking that she did something wrong. She does not feel that she is ABUSED and when she does get a spanking for something guess what she doesn't do it again. Imagine that.

Posted by Newt on June 23, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Yeah_I_said_it on June 23, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Early,

allwoman was booted off. She has been suspended for 30 days because of "off topic" posts and because she said that she was going to see if she could shut the board down just to piss that dude (can't recall his name right now) off. She will not be returning once the suspension is lifted.

WHAT? Off-topic? Most of these are off-topic!

Posted by retirednavy on June 23, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Newt on June 23, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What else does it teach? That you respect them as individuals? That you can solve a problem by something other than violence? That talking something out is acceptable form of negotiating? No, all it teaching them is that because you are older and stronger you get to hurt them in some fashion.
All I have to do in a public building, from across the room, LITERALLY, is hold up my fingers, one at a time, counting to three and my children immediately get their behinds in line and make a straight line to where I am. Sounds better behaved than your beaten children to me!

Newt,
I discipline in a loving and caring way. I never discipline out of anger, but out of love. I have never "hit" my children. Most discipline is done in private, they know why they are being disciplined, and it ends with a hug and words of love and encouragement. The incident is forgotten and not dwelt upon. You know nothing about me or my children so for you to say that your children are better behaved then mine is asinine. I will say this, I believe in immediate obedience. If I tell my children to do something I expect them to obey me and ask questions later, none of that counting to 3 crap. By using your proven "counting to three method" of discipline, you are teaching your kids that they don't have to obey the 1st time or even the 2nd time they are told to do something. I think that ultimately confuses kids. When they are school age, are they going to get 3 chances to obey a teacher? But, to each his own, and if it works for you and your kids are well behaved, more power to you.

Posted by Tammie on June 23, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Early, I wasnt booted off, I just didnt feel like posting the other day. Lol I'm still here.

Posted by Newt on June 23, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wasn't talking to you Mr. Navy. but is you want in the conversation that is now OVER, come on in the water is fine!

The one finger is to get their attention....I usually don't have to get to the second finger, and I have never made it to the third.

I am sooooo glad you coach your love with a slap or smack...that makes it so much more enjoyable and understandable for your child!

BTW - my kids are at the tween stage. So getting to 2 is a great success!

Posted by Yeah_I_said_it on June 23, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Newt,

I totally agree. The reason she was given was that she and others were "threadjacking" (taking over the posts to talk about things other than the story at hand). But, who ever stays on topic on these boards. We believe that she was booted because of the statement that she made to that guy about shutting down the board. A statement, that was made to annoy another poster because he was being a butt. Any way, she is out and I was about to stop as well, but she told me to do me and don't worry about it.

Oh, let me comment on the article. I am happy the baby is home!

Posted by geekguy2008 on June 23, 2008 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No, they are not planning a funeral because everyone came home safe and sound. However, they may be planning a baby shower for that 13 who crept out of the house to meet her "friend".
Better get that juvenile a pregnancy test kit.

Posted by Tammie on June 23, 2008 at 3:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I used to get spanked but of course, there is a fine line between what's discipline and what's child abuse. When I have my daughter (yep, it's a girl y'all!), since I have mastered the SEOD (Side Eye Of Death), handed down masterfully from my grandmother and passed to my mom who still uses it on my and my younger brothers, I may not have to spank. Lol Newt, if you dont have to discipline the tweens in your house, that's good. Your kids are at that age where they think they know it all, going through that with my youngest brother (I wanna hurt his lil behind! Lol). I wont knock anyone's parenting skills though, at least not til I've spent some years with this blessing in my belly.

Posted by Yeah_I_said_it on June 23, 2008 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To spank or not to spank? Is that the question? If so, I would be on that chick so fast that her head would spin three times before she even realized I was there. I feel for the mother of the baby because she was out to so much anguish. I mean, not knowing whether your child and niece are okay. Knowing that this child cannot drive, but she is in your car with the most precious thing in your life. Man, I couldn't even fathom it. But, thank God they are both okay and the aunt now has the chance to literally hurt the 13 year old.

Posted by MissVAbch on June 23, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The countdown, 1....2....3.....oooh they are really going to obey at one and two. Gimme a break! You are telling the child that they don't have to listen to you the first time, or the second time, but by golly, you better listen the third time cuz if I get to three and you haven't listened, I'm gonna start counting again! This is how I have seen 'counters' *discipline*.

Has anyone noticed how the crime rate and disobedience in the school system has increased as corporal punishment has decreased and time out has become the cool new tool?

It is so clear, yet some people just don't get it.

Sad.

And stealing a car and the baby at 13??? Speechless.

Posted by Yeah_I_said_it on June 23, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I use the counting system for my kids. I have gotten to 3 a couple times. When I got there the result was far from starting over, I spanked them and they knew what they would get if I got to 3 ever again. I also use "time outs" and restriction. The punishments vary with the infraction.

Posted by tiffhug on June 23, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by gamecockwoman on June 23, 2008 at 11:46 a.m.

tiffhug, I hope you are right but I rather doubt it. As far as being judgmental goes, from the looks of society these days, isn't it time somebody get's back to being judgmental and calling right right and wrong wrong? If we aren't to be judgmental, then let's let all the prisoners out of jail and don't judge their behavior - nothing different than judging immoral and improper behavior.As far as the 19 yr old military man and his 18 year old wife and their daughter, etc., maybe they should exercise better judgment and perhaps wait to marry and have a family until they are able to afford it....at least that's what we used to do.You'd be surprised to see the big screen tvs, hot cars/trucks, and stereos these young military people have.....I truly appreciate the sacrafice, but Our Wonderful God has given us all Free Will-we just don't always use it properly.

Calling right right and wrong wrong. Well making that sort of judgment without knowing the entire situation is wrong.I could care less what others have in their homes. I have no idea how they acquired them nor is it my business. You are absolutely correct...God has given each of us free-will, and it is just that FREE WILL, whether it be right or wrong. How would you like someone judging every decision that you made in your life? Oh, I forgot, you haven't made any mistakes or bad choices, ever. You also said something about where is the daddy. News Flash, not every home in America has a dad present. Does that mean that the children are bad,or doomed? I think not. I am 35, I grew up without a father in my home. I am working on my Masters degree and I am gainfully employed. I am not in public housing or public assistance, I am not in jail. My father and I have a great relationship, however he was not a part of my everyday up bringing. I have 2 sisters, one who is also working on her masters degree. So you see, you don't have to have a DADDY to be a productive member of society.

Posted by grannyofsix on June 23, 2008 at 4:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

the person's name was jonesy who was the... never mind i wont say but i think he was not a happy camper either but glad we werent on any longer.as far as spanking verses timeout it might work for 2 to 6 year5 old but try it with a 10 to 15 year old i want to know if it works.
but i miss the girls in the CREW

Posted by retirednavy on June 23, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Newt,

Awesome comeback. I give you to the count of 3 to be nice.

Posted by Girleygirl on June 23, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

5. Everybody in your immediate family, church, and friends will know what you did because your parents will tell everybody too....EMBARRASSMENT

That was one of mine Gadsden that I hated it. If I did something wrong I was put on blast in front of my big family so now I have to listen to everyone tell me what I did was wrong and how I disappointed everyone.

Time out works every now and then but when you get to #2 and the child is looking at you like "say 3" then it's time to look at some other type of punishment.

Hey Granny and Tammie!!

Posted by Yeah_I_said_it on June 23, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks grannyofsix. His name just wouldn't come to me. As for spanking the 10-15 year olds, it has worked for me so far. I have a 12 year old and he knows I mean business if I have to raise my voice or pick up a strap. Start young and it will carry over into the teen years (at least for the most part).

Posted by jeff61 on June 23, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I just wondering about this quote from the mom

Mom thinks cousin sneaked out of house, took child so she wouldn't cry

I would think the baby is more likely to cry by being woken when pick up rather then the cousin just quitely getting up from bed and leaving. That makes no senese to me.

Posted by Yeah_I_said_it on June 23, 2008 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jeff,

If the baby is accustomed to someone sleeping next to them, they will cry once that person is no longer there.

Posted by drp7773 on June 23, 2008 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yawwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn........ooooops where were we

Posted by forget on June 23, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think I understand how some posters are picturing this whole scenario. They are going by what we have seen and heard through news stories lately. So many times (not specifically saying this one) the fathers are not in the picture. And lately, no fathers or mothers and grandparents taking responsibility for the grandchildren. Grandparents raising children in an enviroment that they weren't raised around. (meaning the type of drugs, crime from the drugs, etc).
I think I'm reading in between the lines here and most of us are really saying that things like this are the result of the deterioration of the family unit. Not a black thing or a white thing. A family thing. Not just this family (we don't know their situation). But a solid family foundation that these children are missing.
I was 13 once. I wouldn't ever even have thought about doing something like this. It would not have entered my mind. I never snuck out of the house at night, I knew the consequences.
It just seems like from this end, that there are not many consequences for bad behavior for the 13 yr old or she wouldn't have done something this stupid. And I don't believe for a second she took the baby to keep from waking it up. Baby was more likely to wake up being taken from the bed than her just leaving the room.
Since she did something like this, DSS probably needs to look into her, her home situation, schooling, and maybe have court mandated counseling. Filing charges against her as an adult isn't the answer. But make her school grades a requirement for staying out of juvenile jail until she is 18.

Posted by jeff61 on June 23, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So the 13 years old and the baby slept in the same bed? The baby did not have a crib?

Posted by katrenavantassle on June 23, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, try spanking my 15 1/2 yr old grandson, who is 6'4 and weighs 205 lbs and wears a size 13 shoe (to my 140lbs)that is totally out of the question. I say call the police and let them get what's coming to them. They know better than to steal the car and drive to another town and with an infant inside, they deserve 30 days in Columbia's youth jail.(I have taken one of my daughters there on a tour, voluntarily in 1997 just to show her when she was 13, and that worked for me) Thank God the baby is fine. Now give this girl what she deserves instead of the purpetual slap on the wrist!!

Posted by katrenavantassle on June 23, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

forget: The solid family foundation's are far and few between these days.

Posted by MissVAbch on June 23, 2008 at 4:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The problem with kids these days is that they don't understand consequences. There is no counting to three in the court system. You get it wrong the first time and there will be IMMEDIATE consequences, whatever they may be.

Parents should raise their children to understand that there will be consequences to 'first time disobedience'. The law does not count on any fingers. And teachers should be respected the first time as well. Teachers don't even have the time to teach anymore because of all of the chaos in the classroom.

This 13 year old obviously doesn't respect authority nor does she understand consequences. This will be a new lesson for her. Too bad it came so late in her life.

Posted by MissVAbch on June 23, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wouldn't be spanking a 15 y/o who is 6'4" and over 205 lbs. Picturing that in my head made me laugh.

My point is that children should be raised with discipline so that by the time they are teens, they understand consequences and wouldn't even think of sneaking out, much less stealing cars and babies. Out of control!

Posted by drp7773 on June 23, 2008 at 5:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Amen MissVabch...............

Posted by forget on June 23, 2008 at 5:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah, you're not spanking a 15 yr old. No matter how big they are. I think mainly the spanking is refering to 3 yrs to about 10-12 ages. A pop on the behind never "hurt" anything. I think maybe it just stops them in their tracks and changes their way of thought fast. My parents spanked me. (my sister more so!) My daughter has had a few. And I think as a result, at 11 yrs old she requires very little discipline. She knows that there are consequences to bad behavior.

Posted by lmg on June 23, 2008 at 5:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tiffhug- thanks for letting gamecock woman know that not all black kids that are raised without a father turn out to be nothing. I'm 23 about to graduate with a bs and i was raised by my mother. I have worked since i was 16, have worked all throughout college, pay my own bill and take care of myself. Sadly some single parents dont have the opportunity to raise their kids to the best of their ability but please don't classify all blacks in one category. Noone determines what you are going to do or be the decision is up to you. gamecock woman i think you may want to go to your local health department and find out some facts about WIC before making ignorant statments. In this modern day you dont have to be poor or on welfare to get WIC- it is to assist all women with the cost of formula and healthy food for themselves and their child/children.You can make 40,000 a year and get WIC but u never know until you ask. It is so unfortunate that so many people are so biased and or ignorant in a multifaceted world. Also black families tend to be closer than some families of other colors and its not uncommon to live with a family member for a number of reasons. Most Hispanics do the same thing.

Posted by grannyofsix on June 23, 2008 at 5:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

my sons are 34 and 38 and even now they know how far to push me if they hear the F- word come from me directed at them they know its either shup or i am heading their way not to spank as i did in there younger years but to slap the chit out of them both my boys i have told you are hard working men now i dont think the spankings have hurt them in their later years

Posted by professional_blk_woman on June 23, 2008 at 5:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jeff, I think the article said that they shared a room, not a bed.

I'm still trying to figure out how whether or not this woman has a husband, and why she lives with her uncle has anything to do with the fact that this 13 year old little fool kidnapped this lady's child and (without a drivers license) drove all the way from Summerville to North Charleston!

Posted by drp7773 on June 23, 2008 at 5:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Go Granny Gooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Posted by forget on June 23, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This child needs to know about the last young girl that stole her parents car in the middle of the night. The young girl wrecked it on the way home and was killed. She either doesn't realise or doesn't care that in this case it could have been a baby that was killed also. The chances that the child was restrained properly in the car seat was remote. (it takes time, she was in a hurry) And did she bring diapers and things for the child since she was gone for a while?

Posted by drp7773 on June 23, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well we all know nothing is going to happen to this kid by tomorrow it will be buried and not heard from again. DSS wont do anything because the kid is guilty and they only harass innocent people, they let the bad people go to hurt kids again, we know the panty waste judges wont do anything because they are here to save the world with their distorted views instead of what the law dictates and the family is not going to do anything cause I mean they leave their car , carkeys and a baby in arms reach of the teen, and I find it hard to believe this is the first time this kid has done something stupid, my guess is she just hasn't done something this bad where the law had to be called in just an assumption but ya know. It would be nice since nothing will happen to this kid if at least she had to work in the nursery at Trident under supervision changing all the nasty diapers and such so she can see how valuable life is fo the remainder of her summer vacation, hell after seeing babies live and die and all the responsibilities there is to life maybe just maybe she would be a better person but like I said she will just get time out for a day or 2 and then be back to her old self with her cell phone..What a shame!!!!!!!!!

Posted by coolfreaknbeans on June 23, 2008 at 5:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jeff61-I found that odd too.I think it's more likely that...the 13yr old was in charge of answering the baby's cries at night.In other words-she thought she better take the baby with her because if the baby cries and cries they'd come in there to see why she wasnt getting up with the baby.I mean I'm just guessing here,but thats the only scenario that would make sense.

Posted by jeff61 on June 23, 2008 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok.. So as typical, the kid is left with the responsibility watching a kid, kind like the 5 year-old is responsible for watching the three year-old. Why didn’t the mother have the baby in her own room? The child does not appear to be over a year old. So is the underlying topic a debate on if you should beat your kids or why would a 13-year-old take a baby from the house, steal a car and drive it to N. Charleston?

Posted by jeff61 on June 23, 2008 at 6:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by Yeah_I_said_it on June 23, 2008 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jeff,

If the baby is accustomed to someone sleeping next to them, they will cry once that person is no longer there.

Maybe the baby should be slepping in its own crib/bed then. I thought all the experts advised against infants sleeping with parents or other people and they should be in thier own crib?

Posted by jeff61 on June 23, 2008 at 6:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

McKenia Wright was returned to her tearful, relieved mother Sunday.

I am just glad this little Irish baby was retuned safe to her mother.

Posted by teachergal on June 23, 2008 at 7:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

in my profession, it amazes me when I see how many little ones are abandoned by mom and dad only to be raised by hard working TIRED grandparents....at least this mom is caring for her baby....
13? there is a 13 year-old around my baby (a relative---nope, we dont live with them) a lot...I won't let our baby OUT of my site with the child as she is just that, a child who is not able to make necessary adult decisions.

I know people who live with relatives. It always kind of shocks me, but they are good, hard-working individuals who are trying to make it in life.

WIC--at least it is there for the babies who need it...and I remember growing up when there were a few years that our large family would have qualified for free school lunch, etc., but our VERY hard working dad would NOT think of it and just worked even harder...

now, as a teacher in a school that is actually in a very good area, I would have to say 70percent of the kids at my school are on free/reduced lunch...and quite honestly, they EXPECT it

back to the story...at least both of the children were not harmed, and hopefully, the 13-year-old will turn out okay and NOT get on the wrong path that so many are on today...

and maybe DAD is in IRAQ, or some other kind of situation...

okay, just my rambling thoughts

Posted by Mayor on June 23, 2008 at 7:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dad is in a rack.

Posted by teachergal on June 23, 2008 at 7:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by drp7773 on June 23, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well we all know nothing is going to happen to this kid by tomorrow it will be buried and not heard from again. DSS wont do anything because the kid is guilty and they only harass innocent people, they let the bad people go to hurt kids again, we know the panty waste judges wont do anything because they are here to save the world with their distorted views instead of what the law dictates and the family is not going to do anything cause I mean they leave their car , carkeys and a baby in arms reach of the teen, and I find it hard to believe this is the first time this kid has done something stupid, my guess is she just hasn't done something this bad where the law had to be called in just an assumption but ya know. It would be nice since nothing will happen to this kid if at least she had to work in the nursery at Trident under supervision changing all the nasty diapers and such so she can see how valuable life is fo the remainder of her summer vacation, hell after seeing babies live and die and all the responsibilities there is to life maybe just maybe she would be a better person but like I said she will just get time out for a day or 2 and then be back to her old self with her cell phone..What a shame!!!!!!!!!

----------------- sooooooooooo true...and then she will be in my classroom

Posted by PoisenIvy on June 23, 2008 at 9:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Seems very strange that they have NO idea why she did it.

I wonder if SHE could possibly be the baby's REAL birth mother...

Posted by Girleygirl on June 24, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The baby was 11 months old. She may sleep through the night but the slightest noise you make could wake the baby up. A child was trying to sneak out of the house. I remember sneaking out of the house and trying to make sure everything was quiet. The slightest noise could wake up anyone.
The cousin knew if she woke up that baby the baby may have wanted to play, eat, or cry. Whatever the reason is the cousin knew her cover would be blown if she did not hush the baby up. The baby could be in a toddler bed or whatever the case could be. The child may wake up at 6 AM and the cousin knew about her sleeping habits and decided to run off before the baby wakes up. The cousin knew about ALL of her family sleeping habits and she took advantage of it. The mother is not at fault for living with her uncle. the uncle is not a fault for letting his family stay with him for whatever reason.
I guess Andy Paras did not care to ask about the family's living arrangements because he was writing an article about a baby returning home safe and sound! Why don't some of you all call him and ask him for the house layout since it matters so much. Ask him who were the relatives that were waiting for BOTH of the kids return. Ask him who all called the child. ASk him how many beds those this house have. ASk him if they had enough food in the house? Find out the ages of all people living in the home too. I guess Andy was trying to write a story that some would say I'm so happy the baby came home safe because the amber alert really did scare me.
Andy please correct me if I am wrong I don't want to make you look like a reporter that was trying to get the actual facts but the people that comment here feel that this information is necessary for them to comment about a baby being returned home due to the actions of her immature cousin. I'm not sure what you were trying to capture from your audience but then again, I think you did a good job!

Some of you all are so retarded with your assumptions that it does not make sense.....

Posted by Yeah_I_said_it on June 24, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jeff61: "I thought all the experts advised against infants sleeping with parents or other people and they should be in thier own crib?"

Experts also advise against smoking and drinking heavily, but people still do that. Experts advise against eating tuna because of mercury, but we still eat tuna. As of late experts warned of drugs in our tap water, I am sure not everyone quit drinking from the tap. Experts advise against and in in favor of a lot of things but we don't all always follow what the experts say, now do we? It's called thinking for yourself and making your own decisions.

Posted by jeff61 on June 24, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Experts also advise against smoking and drinking heavily, but people still do that. Experts advise against eating tuna because of mercury, but we still eat tuna. As of late experts warned of drugs in our tap water, I am sure not everyone quit drinking from the tap. Experts advise against and in in favor of a lot of things but we don't all always follow what the experts say, now do we? It's called thinking for yourself and making your own decisions.

And all these things you are only doing to yourself. The point was and I should have been more specific, if a child that young was in the same bed it could get rolled on and sufacated.
On another note it seems some people here have been able to come up logical reasons why the 13 year-old would take the baby but the mother dosen't seem to have a clue as to why.

Posted by Girleygirl on June 24, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Has anyone ever asked a 13 year old why he/she has done anything wrong and got back a response worth your wild?Usually when a 13 year old or a teen gets in trouble the first words out of their mouth is "I don't know." the child that took the baby is in detention right? So how in the world is the mother going to have a conversation with her cousin.

Andy that's another question you may need to find out...please ask the mother if she asked the cousin why the cousin took the baby. I know the child is in juvenille and may /or may not have any contact with her immediate family but this is important!

It's true that the baby could suffocate while sleeping in the same bed but, you are still assuming the baby sleeps in the bed with her cousin. After I got rid of the crib for my daughter, she was suppose to start sleeping in a toddler bed, but every night that little girl would end up in the bed with me because she would wake up in the middle of the night and climb into my bed.

Posted by walleyedwoman1215 on June 24, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My parents were old school. They did not negotiate, reason or empathize. What they did was flog us on the spot (church, grocery store, sidewalk) when we decided to mouth off or disobey. Dad said, "I put food in your mouth and clothes on your back, that's why." Mother said, "Because I'm your mother, that's why!"
The result: We four children have no criminal records; all hold bachelors' degrees and three have master's degrees. Something in that "antiquated" upbringing worked, and worked well.

Posted by Yeah_I_said_it on June 24, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jeff61: "And all these things you are only doing to yourself."

Not necessarily, secondhand smoke affects others as does someone drinking heavily. They could get in a car and drive drunk and kill someone else or they could alter their personality and abuse their family.

As far as the baby in the same bed as another person, my mother slept with my sibs and myself in her bed when we were babies and we are all still hear to talk about it. Also, I have never rolled over on any of my kiddies either.

Posted by jeff61 on June 24, 2008 at 10:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So that arguement of mothers rolling over on thier babies is a crook of sh_t and that defense was made up by lawyers to get mothers off who actually killed thier childen.osted by Newt on June 24, 2008 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I f I am a pigmy living in the jungle and I worship a grasshopper and that grasshopper tells me all the same things as the Bible and the 10 commandments do I still go to hell for worshipping a false idol?