Posted by iceman1978 on July 31, 2008 at 1:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In a country where we have birth control available to just about anyone who wants it and legalized abortion there is no reason why we should have teen pregnancies. Anyone who lives within driving distance of a medical facility can get birth control pills, an IUD, condoms, Mifepristone (the RU-486 pill) or an abortion. Absolutely no need to have any of this. These people choose this. I feel sorry for the kids though. This kind of behavior passes from one generation to the next because they've never known any different.

When I lived in Turkey this kind of thing was unheard of. For starters there was a social stigma against teen pregnancy. We used to have that here. Teen pregnancy is something that used to be frowned upon. Considering that having a baby that young automatically increases your chances of a life of poverty, I would hope that it's still frowned upon. So here's my solution:

Much of the problem lies with the fathers. How many young men would you say are out on the streets roaming like dogs in heat? And when they're not busy getting arrested they're getting young women into trouble. Next time the cops pick up one of these punks, why not reduce some time off their sentence if they agree to get a vasectomy? They'll have a choice. It's not like they're being forced to. Have the vasectomy and we'll not only reduce your sentence by 1/3 we'll even cut you a check for $2,000. (Unless they've got you on murder which in that case it won't matter) Once that's taken care of they can feel free to sleep around as much as they like. That alone would reduce teen pregnancies.

Make any and all types of contraceptives available to anyone who wants them. Free of charge, no questions asked. If you need instructions on how they work, no problem. We'll provide you with all the literature and instructions you need. If they still get pregnant, then the State should offer to finance the abortion, and that's it. No welfare, no food stamps, no WIC, no free lunch. Offer to help them get out of the situation and let it go at that. I would much rather my tax dollars pay for contraceptives and/or abortions than to pay for years and years of welfare.

Posted by farfallaspeaks on July 31, 2008 at 1:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

iceman, i was just about to say the same thing.
except for the vasectomy part. um, isn't that permanent?
you failed to mention a little thing called STDS
the vasectomy solution isn't going to help that.
however, i do like how you think. why not the men take birth control instead of the women? after all, birth control makes women go insane with all those hormones.

i don't think being rural has anything to do with this.
these women are IGNORANT. they don't know what the consequences of their actions are.

Posted by BillytheKid on July 31, 2008 at 3:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with both of you 100%. I think that the world is against us.
It is not my choice, that removes half of the voters, and my next choice would be to change the next ,,,,,Not my choice.

Posted by ForPnC on July 31, 2008 at 3:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

With all of the free health care out there (thanks to us taxpayers) there is still a problem. This is not a list that SC wants to be Number One on.

Is there sex education in the schools here or do they teach only abstinence so as not to offend the godbots? These children need to learn about birth control.

Posted by ForPnC on July 31, 2008 at 3:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Iceman - That's a nice solution you have there. I agree with your post.

Posted by lillycollette on July 31, 2008 at 4:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.scstatehouse.net/code/t44c041...
ABORTIONS GENERALLY

http://www.scstatehouse.net/code/t44c122...
COUNTY GRANTS FUND FOR ADOLESCENT PREGNANCY PREVENTION INITIATIVES

Posted by Slick50 on July 31, 2008 at 5:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When you drop out of school, you gotta find something to do with all that free time.

Posted by moonpie on July 31, 2008 at 7:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Slick50 they drop out of school and hang at the malls! I walk at noon everyday and I am amazed at what I see. Wonder why the article didn't break the data down to race? Because it's very clear from the mall walking who the 51 in a 1000 are...
I also think its "the plan" for their lifes all along. They see it generation after generation so why change. Mom and grandma had a cushy existence without doing anything but pushing out a dependent or two or three or four or five or six in some cases! And then hauling their littles asses to the welfare ofc. Field trips! AND GUESS WHAT? OUR LITTLE ILLEGAL VISITORS HAVE CAUGHT ON NICELY.

Posted by charlestonpride on July 31, 2008 at 7:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wish birth control was covered by insurance like Viagra is!!!

Posted by Tammie on July 31, 2008 at 7:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by moonpie: "Wonder why the article didn't break the data down to race? Because it's very clear from the mall walking who the 51 in a 1000 are..."

But you claim you ARE NOT a racist?

Anyways, I'm with Iceman, with all of the information, etc, why is the rate so high? My mom scared the mess out of me when it came to teen pregnancy, she let me take care of my little brother ALONE for an entire weekend when I was 15. That was enough to make me wait a looong time to have kids.

CP, what kind of insurance doesn't cover BC but cover Viagra? Lol

Posted by Tammie on July 31, 2008 at 7:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WPC, nowhere in this article was race mention but moonpie brought it up, yet she claims not to be a racist.

I called a spade a spade.

Posted by 3olivesmike on July 31, 2008 at 7:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

RW you are correct. The writers(?) featured in the P&C are programmed to instigate, not to report. This is the race-baiter of the day.

Posted by DoaMM on July 31, 2008 at 7:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

moonpie wrote:

"Because it's very clear from the mall walking who the 51 in a 1000 are..." and "...OUR LITTLE ILLEGAL VISITORS HAVE CAUGHT ON NICELY..."

Let's step back for a moment on their mentality. Hispanics are historically Catholic, which means they don't believe in birth control are are SUPPOSE to abstain from "casual" sex. This is of course the most strict of Catholic belief interpretations.

To add to that, Hispanics take great pride in their names and carrying on the family heritage. The more kids you have, the "better" your family is. It is shown as a prideful sign of virility for a Hispanic male to have a large family.

American Blacks and Whites do not have these beliefs to the levels that Hispanics do. There is no reason for their "over" and "early" production other than either lack of knowledge (doubt it) or plain stupidity.

Definitely not defending it, just adding to the conversation, folks...

Posted by Child_of_God on July 31, 2008 at 8:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Merriam-Websters's Dictionary

Racism, noun, 1933

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Yeah, according to definition (1), I'd say Tammie just called a spade a spade.

Posted by SCNightHawk on July 31, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Finally, SC has scored near the top of the list in some catagory. Unfortunately it's teen preganancy. 52% of all teen girls in SC were found to be sexually active. Boy, now thats something to be proud of. With roll models like Lovely_One aka Allwoman spitting out babies like watermellon seeds what else can you expect.

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

blahblablah raceracerace. I remember way more pregnant white girls, anyway.
And as far as Catholics, it's a personal choice. My mom was raised catholic, and so was I. I'm on birth control, don't want kids until I'm 30 and most of my catholic friends use condoms or the pill.

the illegals keep having kids because they're probably on welfare and get more money. Also, having a kid in the US means you can stay here. Who made that rule? that was dumb.

But Farfalla and Iceman are right. (Come back! you two were making sense!)
It seems like it's okay to be pregnant and young. Whenever it happens, everyone says "congratulations" and acts very happy for them. Whatever happened to making it socially unacceptable?

oh, birthcontrol is sometimes covered by insurance. They have it at free clinics, and universities usually have it cheap. But they raised the prices to help cover the national deficeit. I'm not kidding, I couldn't make that up if I wanted to.

Posted by drp7773 on July 31, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Almost last in education and lord and behold we are 8th in baby making teens....Dont ya feel proud, surely as parents who watch R rated movies with your kids and the schools teaching sex everyday and mmmmm where do they get all the free condoms to use, surely we can move up to 7th place by next year huh. Well we can dream.

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 8:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with Iceman. There is no such thing as shame in our society anymore. In these times, it's seems like it is no big deal that there are so many pregnant teenagers. My daughter, who graduated from high school this year, finally became so nonchalant when it came to telling me about this girl or that girl who was pregnant. She didn't used to be that way, because we raised her to believe that that kind of behavior is wrong and unacceptable. Too bad some of these girls weren't raised in the same manner.

Posted by flame711 on July 31, 2008 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a racially charged city..for certain. LOL..But yeah I agree with some. It is a way of life, they even lie to get welfare. But they had money to go to the NAS concert lastnight! ignorance in its rawess form..

Posted by soul2soul on July 31, 2008 at 8:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

MOONPIE the article didn't break the data down to race because they knew your racist dumbazz would! LOLOLOLOLOL

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 8:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And, SCNight- I believe Lovely_One is married, and she is definitely not a teenager. (not saying that you are old, Lovely) so that comment doesn't really apply to this article, now does it?

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Early got it!
My dad works with the border patrol, and we'd hear some stories out west. Pregnant women (not always mexicans, odd) would come into the country during labor to get to a US hospital. The US has to pay for it, and they get to stay in the country. Hospitals out west are being shut down because of things like that. They have to pay for their medicare and bills, and can no longer afford to stay open.

And get Graham wrote the amnesty bill! Shameless plug: Please, don't vote him back in. I don't think we can afford it.

Posted by grannyofsix on July 31, 2008 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Allwoman is a married women working husband working and doesn’t using assistance she has the right to have 20 babies if she so chooses. She is not a burden on society, as teens having babies are. They collect welfare, food stamps etc ALLWOMAN DOES NOT. She works and pays her taxes as we (am assuming) we all do

Posted by ysillyme on July 31, 2008 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Archdude~
You mentioned that the females here are easy. Would you happen to have their phone numbers? Thanks pal.

Posted by nativecharlestongirl on July 31, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think that if assistance was taken away (WIC, welfare, Medicaid) and we told the teens "okay you had this child now get to work on supporting it by yourself" then that right there would deter PLENTY of young people from having children. I was young when I had my daughter and struggled enough (WITHOUT gov. help) that I haven't had # 2 even yet... These girls having babies get to sit at home and not only collect a check from us taxpayers but also from the child's father.... Cut off the support, quit making it so easy for these teens with children and you will see a decline in the numbers of teen pregnancies over time... Make harsher requirements for being eligible for the assistance programs

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good Morning, Granny!! You and nativegirl are so right about government assistance. And let's not forget the mothers of some of these girls who are so willing to provide free babysitting services so that these babies are brought more as sisters than children of these teen mothers. I have seen a few examples of this and I just don't get it.

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

oops- meant to say brought up.

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah, I don't know if it's so much the government providing assistance as the parents of the girl (or sometimes, dad) raising the kid for them.
I've often wondered how they find themselves in that predicament. I know it can happen to anyone, but most sexually active people I know are very safe about it.

It seems to be a perpetuating cycle that is seldom broken. The mom does it, and depending how she takes care of her kids, they'll probably do it, too. Even looking past the burden on the taxpayers, why would you want to bring a child into the world like that?

Posted by Southernized on July 31, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Cutting the WIC program out alltogether I am no all for. I was 16 when I had my son. 18 by the time I had my 2nd, and 22 by the time I had my 3rd child. Yes I was young, & dumb, but I did not live off of welfare as I never even had it. I had a job, my husband (boyfriend at the tim) too had a job. We made grown up desecisions and we had to grow up! Now we own a house have great jobs, and kids I will NEVER regret.
I do have to say WIC help us out, but we did not depend on it! I think to eaches own- These young girls now (most of them) depend on the system too much, and we dont teach them RESPONSIBILITY as we just give hand outs. This is for all Races I see it all the time, driving nice cars, wearing nice clothes, with NO JOBS! In order for them to get assistance they need to hold jobs/No JOB no HANDOUT!

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

no, blame the schools on this one, too. the high school I went to was supposed to teach sex ed in all PE and JROTC classes. We seemed to have missed it...
We ended up getting it from our psychology teacher, who went over contraceptives and STDs. It's sad, though. She had to keep an eye out in case the principle or an administrator walked by and they saw what she was doing.

I don't see the point in abstinence only teachings. yes, tell them abstinence is the only way to make sure you never get pregnant or catch anything. But what's so wrong with teaching them about the various types of birth control?

Posted by Tammie on July 31, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Southernized, you aren't young and dumb, seems you made a life for you and your kids, that's to be commended.

WIC is supposed to help lower income families and their children get the nutrition they need. It's not supposed to be life support, nor is the Eat Better Today card. I dont have a problem with goverment assistance, I have a problem with the people who abuse it.

Posted by grannyofsix on July 31, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

. I was 16 and married with my first, 17 with my second 19 with my third and 23 with my fourth. I lost my second child when he was a baby. There was no Medicaid or WIC. We never even thought of asking the government for anything. My husband worked making 1.60 an hour as an electrocutions helper when we got married. We raised our children with out the help of government assistance.

Posted by sc4peace on July 31, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It goes back to the parenting- if you allow your kids to hang out with whoever they want, stay out all night- party with them and let them dress like trash- what do you expect? Parents are too eager to be friends with their children...and this interrupts parenting- the sh** on tv needs to go as well- MTV is not even censored enough for teenagers- it's ridiculous...My daughter is allowed Disney channel only- and that is starting to scare me a little as well- it is what it is- Responsibility is the key word- and parents need to raise children with discipline, love and consequences-

Posted by SCNightHawk on July 31, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WTF is an electrocutions helper. Did he work at the prison?

Posted by Southernized on July 31, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Early" Not once did I say I lived off of WIC if you re-read my post you will see I wrote WIC helped out but we did not Depend on it. Wic helped me out with my first 2, and I stoped using it when they were six months-
*Tammie thanks for your comment My husband and I provide, We never asked for food stamps and or cash assistance, we got off our A** and worked! He worked 2 jobs, and I worked aswell- So if you think I once Depended on the system, You need to think again.

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Newt- that actually is a good idea. Maybe a bit of the problem with the young girls getting pregnant from (obviously) unsafe sex is a lack of self respect. If they were taught from a young age to respect themselves and men were taught to have more respect for women, they'd think twice before just jumping to bed with someone.

Angelina Jolie actually made a comment that adotive parents have to go through so many checks and jump through all these hoops before they're deemed "fit" to adopt a child. And yet we have random people just getting knocked up. She was on to something...

Posted by grannyofsix on July 31, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

oops sorry didnt proof read againelectricians helper I need a drink

Posted by grannyofsix on July 31, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ELECTRIANS HELPER

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sc4peace- some of the parents today are too lazy to practice good, responsible parenting. It's much easier to let the kids do whatever they want with no consequences. It takes patience, determiniation, and tough love to raise a child with proper values, morales and beliefs to become responsible adults. I became a friend to my oldest daughter when she got married. I was a good and loving parent when she was growing up. The same goes for my younger daughter. We taught them right and wrong, instilled good values in them as they were growing up, and as a result I have two beautiful, well adjusted, GOOD youngs ladies that my husband and I are very proud of. But it wasn't always easy and I'm sure there were times when we weren't liked very much, but now that they are grown, they appreciate the upbringing they had.

Posted by grannyofsix on July 31, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CHIT THE HECK WITH IT . HE HELPED PUT ELECTRIC IN NEW HOMES

Posted by grannyofsix on July 31, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL yes achdude thank you

Posted by sc4peace on July 31, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lucy_Fan- That is wonderful- and that's how parenting should be done...I'm not saying there aren't any bad apples from good trees, but being their "friend" only enables their ability to manipulate...Congrats on two great daughters!

Posted by jeff61 on July 31, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by grannyofsix on July 31, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

oops sorry didnt proof read againelectricians helper I need a drink

And you still didn't LOL... go get that drink

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you, sc4peace. It's definitely not easy being a good parent. My husband and I also made a great financial sacrifice for me to stay home with them until they were both in school. Then I was lucky enough to find a job working the same hours as their school hours until they were old enough to stay at home after school alone. That really makes a difference. I'm not saying that putting a child in daycare is wrong- it's just not what I wanted for my children.

Posted by Lovely_One on July 31, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"With roll models like Lovely_One aka Allwoman spitting out babies like watermellon seeds what else can you expect."

That was actually funny...NOT! I would expect people to be held accountable for themselves.....(stopping myself)

I would like to thank my Lovely ladies(granny and lucy) for having my back on this one. I was not even going to respond to that wonderful comment that was so eloquently typed by our "brand new" poster SCNightHawk. I am in a very good place today and I feel great. I cannot stop anyone from having an opinion of me, no matter how ignorant or boneheaded it is, so I will not even attempt run into that brick wall. I am going to sit here and allow my 7th child to partake in the joys of kicking and stretching and growing while we await his arrival. And ladies you are correct, I am on no assistance what so ever and my husband and I both work and pay taxes.

Posted by Tammie on July 31, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

One thing I notice with a lot of parents these days, they want to be their child(ren)'s friend. Instead of respect, they're looking for acceptance. Damn that. I want my daughter to have confidence and respect enough to come to me and her dad for things but when it comes to laying down the law, she'll know Mom and Dad rule with an iron fist.

Y'all leave Granny alone, she's shaking off that Wild Turkey from last night. ;-)

Posted by Lovely_One on July 31, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

But is does feel good to know that I am being thought of!

Posted by DoaMM on July 31, 2008 at 10:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Not to mention, granny but you called him "achdude"...

...sounds like she thinks you may have a hairball, archman.

Have two drinks...

Posted by FortDorchesterMom on July 31, 2008 at 10:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I started talking to my kids about sex as soon as they started asking questions. My daughter is 18, just graduated from high school...and we have had long talks about STD's and pregnancy. Although I would love for my daughter to wait until marriage for sex, I'm not so naive as to believe that sometimes that doesn't happen. I've always told her to come to me if she ever decided that she was thinking about having sex, and that we would go straight to the doctor for birth-control. I also told her that if she thought that she was mature enough to have sex, then she'd better be responsible enough to protect herself, and that I wasn't raising any more babies!!!!
Sure enough, she came to me( I stalled for a week) ...and to be on the safe side, we headed to the doctor's office. My husband freaked out when he caught wind of it, but I promise you, I would rather that she be protected from an unwanted pregnancy, than to hide my head under the sand and hope for the best. When we were at the doctor's office, I was surprised to see several Dad's with their teenage daughter's there for the same thing.
Teenagers are scary...I don't think that my son has had sex yet, but he is quite proud to carry a condom around in his wallet. I'll be glad when they aren't teenagers any more...maybe I'll get some rest.
Lot's of kids don't have parents that they can come to for advice or help when it comes to things like this..and I don't think that they've started passing out the Pill at school yet, so now what?

Posted by jeff61 on July 31, 2008 at 10:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The most important question to be asked, CAN THESE KIDS READ

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good Morning. Lovely and little lovely's baby!! Don't leave your good place. SCNightHawk isn't worth a thought.

Tammie- You are so right. That's the only way to raise a good kid. And be consistent with disipline. That's the key. If you threaten them with grounding for breaking your rule(s), them ground them. If you tell them you are gonna take away this privelige or that toy, take it away!! Don't make empty threats!

Posted by grannyofsix on July 31, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ARCHDUDE and DOAMM Oh for the love of. You too are so nit picky today

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 10:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

For those of you with two kids (or more, I'm not sure how it works with 3 or more kids) ever notice the difference in how you raised them?
My boyfriend and I are both the oldest in our families, and noticed how strict our parents were with us. Even now my mom has to know where I am at all times. But when the second kid came around, things changed. They became way more lenient.

But I'm loving the overall "Zen" feeling of this postings today. Makes me all happy inside. Like I should be drinking herbal tea with my vodka or something. Mm... vodka.

Posted by Lovely_One on July 31, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

archdude, at this point it doesn't even matter who they are. If they are taking stabs at me that means they are giving everyone else a break. I can live with that.

And I think that teaching more than abstinance is one step, but parents and other adults need to make sure these girls know all of the consequences of having sex. We can't just tell them not to do it. That only makes them want to do it more, that and the fact they see it on TV and in movies and on the Internet and hear it from friends all the time.

Posted by SCNightHawk on July 31, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ignoring the NightHawk is not a good idea. Just like ignoring your parental responsibilities...When you do, your children end of dropping out of school, getting pregnant and or selling themselves or drugs on the street. I am amazed at the number of people posting on this thread alone who admit to having children in their teens. As I have previously stated this is a sad legacy for your future generations. Keep it up and good ole SC will be at the top of the list in no time...

Posted by charlestonpride on July 31, 2008 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My step daughter and her husband just had their 4th child. She wants 2 more. I don't agree, but...they are not on any assistance and they would be classified as poor. He works his butt off and she stays at home and home-schools the kids. They would qualify for "everything" the government gives out, but they are prideful and refuse to go that route. I am grateful that they don't, because there are already too many damn hands in my paycheck before I even get it.

Posted by guidedbystewart on July 31, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden
"Again, get a permit before having kids would stop these idiots from creating more idiots."
I thought that this would go against your libertarian view point?

Posted by DoaMM on July 31, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not nit-picky, Grannie, just observant!

Truth be told, my grandmother was an English teacher and beat it into us kids that we should always use proper grammar and such...

Bet sence I's here in tha South, mite as well do as miny other'n do too...also...

:)

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LoL @ Jeff!!

Posted by Lovely_One on July 31, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden: "/She could probably even pass the IQ test for a permit if required..."

Woah, slow your roll. No one ever said anything about tests. I didn't sign up for this. Lol!

I do agree that people need to be held more accountable for their actions. When my girls are old enough for me to speak to them more in depth about sex and the consequences and responsibilities therein, believe me I will and I won't sugar coat it either. My husband is already having those hard talks (no pun intended) with our sons.

Posted by Lovely_One on July 31, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

DoaMM,

I feel for you. My grandmother was an English teacher as well, so I know how that feels. We couldn't even say "ain't" when we were growing up. Now, I find myself doing the same to my children. But, I do allow "ain't" because it has been added to the dictionary.

Posted by jeff61 on July 31, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by charlestonpride on July 31, 2008 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My step daughter and her husband just had their 4th child. She wants 2 more ,they are not on any assistance and they would be classified as poor.

And it looks as if they will remain poor if they don't get realistic about how many child the can support.

Posted by SCNightHawk on July 31, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gasden, I used Lovely_One as an example and should have included Granny because both, by their own admission starting spitting out babies in their teen years. This article is not about welfare. It addresses teen pregnancy in the state. However, they generally go hand in hand. I was merely trying to point out that it hard to tell your teenaged daughter not to engage in unprotected sex when obviously you did the same thing. "Its the old do as I say not as I do mentality"....Like I said, SC is bound for stardom if this trend continues.

Posted by nativecharlestongirl on July 31, 2008 at 10:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Parenting! Well it doesn't take much to be a parent but it takes blood, sweat, and tears to be a GOOD parent. These days you see/ hear parents asking the children to do stuff "Johnny will you please go clean your room" then when that doesn't work "Johnny IF you clean your room then you will get a surprise".... Hell I don't know about any other parent but I tell my daughter okay here are the rules, your room stays clean, use your manners and when I tell you to do something it is NOT a suggestions so you need to get it done. My daughter is seven and if she doesn't do her chores then she gets privileges like TV or going to fun places taken from her, not do it and bribe her......

I think the assistance needs new stricter requirements like time limits and proof of qualifications every 3 to 6 months.... If you can't feed yourself or your children then you should not be putting yourself in a situation to get knocked up. I am all for assistance of prevention of procreating!

Posted by jeff61 on July 31, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Children they can support,,typeo

Posted by Tammie on July 31, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden, boooooo. No gold star for you today.

DoaMM, that isn't Southern, that's just effed up grammar. Lol

Posted by grannyofsix on July 31, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

DoaMM and archdude and whoever else.I am not from the south I have just lived here probably longer then you have been born. Sometimes I tend to get in a hurry, and don’t proof read after putting it in word. And sometimes I get so mad (which is a bad thing for my blood pressure) that I don’t even send it to word. I just send it... some in here do forgive my little set backs.
With this subject matter we have today I tend to get a bit BI**HY . I to feel I shouldn’t have my tax money pay for some teenager having a good time in the sack without protection and pop out babies every year

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Ain't" is acceptable, in informal situations. Now, phrases like "Might could" need to be banned...

Posted by guidedbystewart on July 31, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL, Gadsden, I was going to mention it sounds like eugenic to me, but you stepped in.
I don't think that throw out sex education and I do think it works for some.
But, I also agree that many have taken advantage of the system and abused it, thinking that by having babies the government will take care of them. This is very much a problem, so how do we fix it? Education is the first step but if it persists, maybe we would have to take more drastic measures. Any measure I could suggest would be controversial but this problem is definitely causing a burden to society.

Posted by iceman1978 on July 31, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks Nikki, Tammy and Farfella.

Nikki, I knew someone in church when I was younger who became pregnant at 17 and her parents (and the boys parents) were acting like it was a blessing and a bundle of joy. Today she has four kids and has been divorced three times. She's 26.

One of the worst things that can happen for a teenager is to get pregnant or to get someone pregnant. It automatically reduces the likelihood that they will end up quitting school and in poverty. There are exceptions to the rule of course, but the outlook for most is grim at best. How anyone could act as though this should be something to be celebrated is just beyond me.

My stepbrother and his wife are like this. I call them LA and CB. Lazy *** and cutthroat ***. They have four kids together and she has three from two previous marriages for a total of seven. They were living in poverty after they had their first child together and they continued to make more babies. After the seventh pregnancy CB started hemmoraging so I hope this time they realize how terrible this situation is.

Posted by ysillyme on July 31, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lovely-one~
not to be nosey, but y did u change your username from Allwoman? No hidden agenda, just curious...wonder if coldbeer did the same?

Posted by DoaMM on July 31, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No biggie granny, we're just ribbing you a bit.

Tammie, I work in the ghettos. That's the best I can do typing "ebonics"... :)

Lovely, "ain't" is also listed as slang, and boy, oh boy, we were in trouble if we spoke it. That being said, I find myself saying these days just to improve relations with some of my customers, but when I do it, it still sounds wrong in my head...

Posted by iceman1978 on July 31, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I was raised to communicate in the 'Queens English' as my grandmother called it.

Posted by Lovely_One on July 31, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

iceman: "There are exceptions to the rule of course"

Yes there are and I thank God that granny, Southernized, and I are three of those exceptions!

Posted by grannyofsix on July 31, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I was going to comment back to SCNightHawk but I am not going to waste my time.

Posted by iceman1978 on July 31, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lovely_One, You should be commended for overcoming the odds. In todays world it's incredibly difficult and not getting any easier.

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 11:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have a feeling that most of the girls who get pregnant so quick weren't really going anywhere in the first place. But yes, it's kinda sick how people are so ready to celebrate a teenage girl and teenage boy having a baby. I'd like to know when it became socially acceptable for young girls to get knocked up. I've even heard of teeange girls wanting to have a baby!

Proper response: "I'm so sorry! And you seemed so smart!"
I don't even understand why girls my age want to get married and have kids.

Posted by SCNightHawk on July 31, 2008 at 11:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Newt, your vacation obviously did you some good. Great post!!

Posted by grannyofsix on July 31, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I also was raised to communicate the Queens English That’s Queens New York. Sorry had to get it out is was choking me

Posted by SCNightHawk on July 31, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Granny, Thanks for not responding. I'd have to interrupt my interpreter again. I don't read or speak gibberish.

Posted by Tammie on July 31, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

DoaMM, my first grade teacher used to make the class sing the CORNIEST song if you said the word "aint"...

Don't say "aint"!
Your teacher will faint!
She will fall in a bucket of paint!

I always thought "aint" was a contraction of the words "am not", only to be used in certain situations. Like I "aint" going to the store. I am not going to the store. But there are instances where it wont work.

Let me quit overworking my damn brain on English, I have midterms this week on harder stuff!

For the record (for anyone who cares), I received an e-mail from CB earlier in the week. He has retired from the PnC. No changing names or anything like that.

Posted by Lovely_One on July 31, 2008 at 11:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ysillyme, I did.

Posted by Girleygirl on July 31, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have to agree some what with Newt on this issue. We are already looking at Europe because we got a TV show about a British woman going into folks house in the USA telling them how to raise their kids.

Hey Lovely- Do you need that woman to help you with your kids? If not I think you are doing a marvelous job since you don't need her or the government!

Posted by iceman1978 on July 31, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Newt, Yes. Seven kids. If CB gets pregnant again there's a good possibility that she will not survive.

Nikki, I think that Hollywood has something to do with it. When you see movies like "Juno" and the pregnancy of Hanna Montana (or is it her younger sister?) it can act as a way to remove the stigma.

Posted by Lovely_One on July 31, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nikki: "I'm so sorry! And you seemed so smart!"

I got this when I got pregnant with my first. I was not praised and I sure as heck wasn't patted on the back. I didn't get to do anything I wanted to do. My mother sure as heck wasn't raising my child for me. And if I needed her to watch him, I had to treat her as if she was my daycare provider. I never glorify the fact that I had kids at a young age, I only glorify that I am raising them correctly and being a good PARENT to them. Some people may disagree and that is their prerogative and I will not condemn them for it. All I can say is thank God I am being productive and not destructive.

Posted by forget on July 31, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I hate to address this, as it's going to blatantly point out Granny's age. It was the norm at that time for young women to get married and have babies at the age of 16. Different generation. She wasn't like quite a few young women in today's society that have 3 children by age 20 and not a husband in sight.

Posted by jeff61 on July 31, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That was Spear's younger sister

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Iceman:
You're thinking Britney Spears and her little sister, Jamie Lynn.
I'm kind of ashamed of myself for knowing that.
They have a new show, "Secret life of an American Teeanger" and the main character is pregnant. Same mess about it.

I don't think teenagers have a clue what's going on. It's become so acceptable to have kids when you're young, they never worry about how to support them. And with how incredibly trashy the media's become, girls seem to think they have to be provacative and oversexed for attention. And of course the guy's are willing to take advantage of it. You should definitely look at the post Newt had at near the beginning of this thread about how Europe looks at it.

7 kids... Why?

Posted by Lovely_One on July 31, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lol @ Girleygirl,

You know I have never called on that British lady to help me with any of my children and I am not calling on the government either. I guess I am doing pretty darn god.

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lovely,
the treatment may very well have made the difference. It became your responsibility immediately. And even though you were already pregnant, you had to work with it.

Now, when you think of things like baby showers for teenagers and all the congratulations they get, it paints a different picture.

Posted by Lovely_One on July 31, 2008 at 11:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nikki,

My sister came home one day (she was a rising Senior in high school) and asked my other if she could go to her two friends' baby shower. My mother was like, "Hell no! What do I look like sending you to celebrate two of your friends being pregnant. You must be out of your mind!" And what is worse, the parent, well mothers (grandmothers to be) were the ones that threw the dang shower. And, like you said, that is where the problem comes in!

Posted by coolfreaknbeans on July 31, 2008 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think sex education is so important.But it has to be done correctly.It has to be balanced and not agenda driven.(by either side)I absolutey DO NOT agree with that middle school that was giving out birth control pills to girls as young as 11 without parental knowledge or consent.People get so eager to dole out bc they forget to ask questions and parents are not held accountable for their childs actions.Like how did your 14 yr old get pregnant?Where was she?Who is having sex with your child?Statistics show that most of these girls are not getting pregnant by school mates,theyre usually men.Teenagers arent very likely to take bc pills correctly.I know grown women who have trouble knowing how to take them.We need to encourage other forms of bc too.Sex education should be clear and honest.We need to start NOW!

Posted by forget on July 31, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That's one thing I don't understand is a baby shower for a teenager! That's a party, a celebration of the event. I do understand that she is going to need essentials for a child, but to give a party - no.

Posted by forget on July 31, 2008 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No coolbeans, we needed to start 20 years ago!

Posted by Lovely_One on July 31, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

forget,

Yes, it is a dang party as if that is something to celebrate. My mother would never have thought about throwing a baby shower for me. Heck, she barely allowed me to accept the essentials, Lol. She made me work and buy them myself.

Posted by coolfreaknbeans on July 31, 2008 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You're right forget.Like Ive posted on other stories-long gone are the days where kids just "knew better" or were "raised better".All accountability is out of the window and failures are celebrated and glorified.It disgusts me.

Posted by kerwin1959 on July 31, 2008 at 11:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I went to the "Child Trends" web site, and here are the stats many of you were asking about:

non-Hispanic white teens: 56.9 per 1,000 teens ages 15-19
black non-Hispanic teens: 151.0 per 1,000
Hispanic teens: 132.0 per 1,000

If I read their data correctly, this is as of 2000! Nothing like having data that is almost 9 years old --- it would make more sense to have something more recent......I think the trend is higher than what this data says.

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Arch- that sounds like an interesting experience... Goes right along with Newt's idea of teaching it young.

I don't know what parents are thinking, throwing parties for their pregnant teens. I guess it's the whole "be a friend" thing.

Maybe a parent/child sex ed class.

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

While I agree that sex ed should be offered in schools, I believe it is the responsibility of the parent to have "the talk" with their own children. Parents try too hard to take the easy way out and are more than willing to let someone else handle the more distasteful or difficult aspects of raising a child.

Posted by Lovely_One on July 31, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Maybe a parent/child sex ed class"

nikki, they need a parent/child responsibility class!

Posted by grannyofsix on July 31, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Show a film of a women giving birth and having a hard time. It scared the chit of my granddaughter she will be 23 in September she just had her first last Friday.

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's impossible to be both a "best friend" and a good parent at the same time.

Posted by iceman1978 on July 31, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nikki, I wish I knew why they had seven kids. If CB gets pregnant again there is a good chance that she won't survive. LA also hasn't held down a job in seven years.

Posted by Lovely_One on July 31, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Amen, lucy! As much as I dread having the talk with my kids, as their parent I know it is my responsibility to make sure they learn it.

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Congrats to another great grand baby, Granny!!

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lovely- when I was little, my mother gave me a kit which included a book and other "feminine" goodies. She told me to read it and come to her if I had any questions. I decided to take a more direct approach with my children, and I think by doing that it made things easier for them. It wasn't the easiest thing I've ever done, though!!

Posted by Lovely_One on July 31, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lucy, my approach will be more direct. I love my mother, but she used the "don't do it or else" approach with me and I did it any way. I rebelled and I gave in to peer pressure. Everyone else was doing it and pushing me because I wasn't. And I was what most people looked at as a "goody two shoes." I think if my mother had taken the direct approach and spent more time speaking on the consequences (STDs, pregnancy), I would have probably taken heed to her words. I love my kids, but if I had it to do all over again, I would have definitely waited.

I know that I will be taking the direct approach with my girls. I have learned from my experience and I will teach them accordingly. So, it won't be a do as I say thing, it will be a I know from experience and I am trying to make sure you don't go down the same path.

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well said, Lovely. You are certainly to be commended.

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Archdude- bonobos?? what is that?

Posted by coolfreaknbeans on July 31, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nothing like geting extra meat from the firehouse...LMAO

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden- Thanks for the agreement! My parents were not my friends until I had been married for serveral years!! Well, I wouldn't say best friends, just friends!!
And quit making me hungry!!!! Those sammies you talk about sounds delicious and oh so fattening!!! ~sigh~

Posted by Tammie on July 31, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am 32 and me and my mom have NEVER had the talk. I learned about sex from my grandmother. She told me about birth back in the day with NO drugs...and my granny has NO govern on her mouth..that was enough to scare the bejesus out of me.

Arch, you are wrong for talking about your teacher. Lol

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

coolfreak- the corner for that one!! ;)

Posted by Tammie on July 31, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lucy, you've never heard of bonobos? Arent those the monkeys that have sex with EVERY MONKEY, MALE AND FEMALE?

Posted by iceman1978 on July 31, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden, That's how it was with me. My parents were my parents and not my friends. It's an entirely different type of relationship. As I've gotten older that relationship has changed but mom is still mom and dad is still dad.

I don't know that I would be able to have kids. It's more than the fact that I don't want kids, it's that even if I did it would be a constant uphill battle to raise them. I don't know how people do it today but they are certainly to be commended. From observation I can say that it's one of the most difficult jobs there is.

My father never would have let me dress in the manner that you see in so many kids these days. If I were married I'm sure that my wife and I would be the same way and we would stick to our decision. The child may not like it, but we're doing ti for their own good. One thing that kids don't understand is that mom and dad were there once and have been down the same road and seen where things can lead. When kids wear their clothes hanging down or they go around in skimpy outfits the world will percieve them a certain way, and that's not what we would want for children. Now that I'm older I understand fully why my parents raised me in the way they did, and I'm thankful that I was blessed to have parents like that.

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 12:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, I go to get a kids meal from Wendy's and I come back to monkeys?

Arch- One teen pregnancy is def not the norm anymore. I think we had around four when I was in high school. once again, alot of the PE/JROTC teachers totally skipped the sex ed classes they were supposed to teach. Other teachers did take over, but evidently not enough. Hence the whole, "omg I'm 16 and preggers! yay!" thing.

Gadsden- I nearly threw up my Happy Meal...

Posted by Tammie on July 31, 2008 at 12:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden...you have a large #3? :-p

Gold stars for you!

Lol

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden- MMMMMMMMM!!!!! That sounds so yummy!!! Where is this place?? I gotta try that.

Tammie- never heard of them. Were you serious, or just pullin my leg?

Posted by Tammie on July 31, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am dead serious Lucy. I watched a special on the Logo channel called "Sexuality in the Animal Kingdom" (Yeah, Logo channel..y'all know I love me some tang!) and I was ROLLING off of the bonobo monkey segment. They dont care..the mama could be holding the baby, she lays down, and in the words of my girl Celie from the Color Purple "They do their business.". It's quite hilarious.

Posted by iceman1978 on July 31, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Firehouse has great subs. I always like it when work caters from there on Saturday's.

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

:) We're having free ice cream at work today. To celebrate "diversity day"

Posted by jeff61 on July 31, 2008 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We has Sex Ed in my school. Two girls who took the class in the 10th grade. They came back the next year pregnant to take the class again in the 11th grade. The teacher asked them why are they in this class this year because they did not learn anything last year. The teacher actually had them removed from the class. The sad thing was they were too stupid to understand why.

Posted by iceman1978 on July 31, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jeff61, If the school can find out who the father is then they both need to be removed from the building and not just from the classroom.

Posted by Tammie on July 31, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Arch, the documentary I watched, if a bonobo is interested in another bonobo, it bends over and spanks its butt so the other bonobo will notice..lmao

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 1:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

these bonobos sound like teenage girls.

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

haha, I'll see if they have any I could leave in a Firehouse for you. I think they have a bunch of flavors, but I've always wondered- what flavor represents what. I love vanilla with chocolate syrup, but I want to make sure I'm including everything. Maybe I should just go for some rainbow sprinkes.

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow. I never heard of these critters. Sound kinda kinky to me.

Gadsden- too bad they don't have one in the Summerville area. I would love to check them out. I usually opt for Jersey Mikes if I want to treat myself.

Gadsden- you are a nutty, buddy!!

Posted by Tammie on July 31, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden is awful, so are you Nikki..lmao

Posted by jeff61 on July 31, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And do teenage girls get pregnant by going to Fire House for Subs and eating ice cream??? I think we need to focus on these teenage girls....Some of this monkey behavior sounds like why some of these girls get pregnant....

Posted by sc4peace on July 31, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am 24 and my mom still won't go get a drink with me....I've asked her many times to come out, now that I'm older- she says no- I don't drinking and party with my kids..no matter how old you are...I think it's a little over dramatic, but I see her point.

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey, just making a very logical observation. You can't deny it.

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nikki- you know what rainbow represents. Gotta be careful with that, ya know!! This talk about food is killing me. I just had my dessert. A piece of strawberry cooler Ice Breaker gum. Mmmmm. Well, at least it satisfies the craving for something sweet without affecting my sugar, or my waistline.

Posted by DoaMM on July 31, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"...gleefully point at their sword."

SUCH visual wording, archdude! I'm gonna try that every night with my wife...

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jeff, it depends on whats in the subs and ice cream, I guess.

And sc4peace- I wouldn't go our partying or drinking with my daughter either. She wanted my to go out with her and her friends when she turned 21 this past April, but I just couldn't do it. Still have the Mother mentality, I guess.
Although I can understand why she would invite me to go along, I am soooo cool!!

Posted by SCNightHawk on July 31, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The bonobo's are originally from the North Charleston area. The migrated to the Congo to escape competition from the other less desirable residents.

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No, what's getting these girls pregnant is bad parenting and poor education in the schools regarding safe sex, and what can happen if you're not careful. But I can't exactly go into their houses, sit them down, and have "the talk" with them.

but it'd be interesting.

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 1:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, DoaMM- I'm so jealous of her now! How romantic, you smoothe devil, you.

Posted by moonpie on July 31, 2008 at 1:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh Jeff61 now your a racist! Don't state the obvious man. Yeah, yeah, yeah I'm calling a spade a spade too tammie. I call it like I see it and it ain't pretty or sugar coated or pc correct but it is the truth. Call me what you want but argue the facts and you know you can't.
Me a Racist? If you only knew... If the birth rates continue at this rate and the welfare state continues to support illegals then we'll be broke in 10 years. But you "non-racist" are to stupid to see that. OBAMA '08!

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nikki- you are so right. I think we all are pretty much in agreement on that point. Maybe, just maybe, if parents would take the time and trouble to have "the talk" with their children, and do it in a direct manner and not act shy or embarrassed and make it too cutesy, the number of teen pregnancies will decrease. But that is gonna take responsible parents. Not lazy ones.

Posted by moonpie on July 31, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

NIKKIP, you assume all of these births are accidents?

Sorry thats wrong. I do agree about the ignorance and lack of education. Alsotheoneeyebanditistoblame!

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 1:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

um, when did I say they were accidents? I don't think I ever indicated that. "Bad parenting" isn't just lack of talking to them, and the talk isn't just "use a condom or you'll get knocked up!"
Parents need to stop supporting this kind of behavior.

Posted by Tammie on July 31, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lmao @ Arch...I'm thinking about the documentary *I* watched on the LOGO channel...

Posted by SCNightHawk on July 31, 2008 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Moonpie, you couldn't be more correct on every point. PS, I don't consider you are racist either, a realist? more likely!!

Posted by Tammie on July 31, 2008 at 2:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm calling you like we all see you Moonpie, you had the nerve to say one day "Everyone thinks I am a racist..", you make a lot of racist comments. Therefore, I called you out, spade. I can't affirm or deny anything seen in the mall, during the times the kids that YOU seem to know hang out at the mall, I am at work. Appearantly, you have more free time than I.

On top of that, if you have to go into a soliloquy about not being a racist, chances are, you probably are one.

Posted by Lovely_One on July 31, 2008 at 2:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, what the heck did I miss. Gadsden is getting meat from the guy at the firehouse, Tammie and arch are watching bi-sexual monkeys, nikki's eating multi-racial ice-cream. You guys are too much.

And Gadsden, thanks for the visual of the STDs. I just had a roast beef and cheese sandwich with Miracle Whip and a pickle. Thank you so much...Lol!

Posted by MissPriss on July 31, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden you and your firehouse need to go somewhere...lol

I'm stuck with Ramen Noodles again today!

I agree with most of you who have said that it's the parent's responsibility to teach their children about safe sex and to provide them with an acceptable form of birth control (not the pull & prey methond). After the parent's have done that it is then the child's responsibility. I don't think it's fair to judge a pregnant teens parents because you may not know if they were taking birth control or not. There's always that .00001% chance that the birth control was misused or messed up.

Posted by MissPriss on July 31, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

if you want that go to Philly's in Oakbrook - unbeleiveable!

Gadsden you couldn't be more right! I love Philly's!

Tammie you and the headache comment almost got me in trouble for laughing out loud....for real. :)

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for the tip, Gadsden.

Lovely- where have you been? You have missed out! Gadsden has provided some lovely visuals.

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 2:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Archdude!!!!! OMG, thanks for sharing that. not.

Posted by SpongeMunkie on July 31, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yay!! We are 8th!! No, its not a good thing, but its a heck of a lot better than being first or second like I believe we were in the mid '90's. Its an improvement. I was a teen mom. And so were way too many other girls that I went to high school with. And this was in Summerville. And the overwhelming majority of us were white. I can't imagine what it was like elsewhere, but it seemed like an epidemic. And now many of our kids are going to be the ages we were then in just a few years..... I hope we continue to drop in rank. If not, we can lay claim to being one of the states with the highest nimber of 30-something year old grandparents. It takes more than communication and education with teens, it takes vigilance on the part of parents too, because kids are very sneaky. How many of our parents REALLY knew where we were and what we were doing alot of the time? Its not easy.

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chinese food and Philly cheesesteak are nowhere near the same, Archdude. Sometimes you have to just jump in with both feet and try something new. If you don't like it, at least you tried it.

Miss Priss- yes, there is always a chance that birth control failed. But that is a rare occurance compared to the number of teen pregnancies.

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Arch- I almost threw up my mulitracial icecream.
Cookie dough. mmmmmm

I don't think we need to go to those extremes just yet. But we'll have to write that idea down.

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

SpongeMunkie- My parents knew where I was at all times because I wasn't allowed out of their sight. They were in their 40's when I came along, so their parenting trends were still in the 1950's. I'm grateful now, to a point, but I think they too strict.

Posted by MissPriss on July 31, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lucy you are right. I just dont think it all boils down to education.

You still have the girls who want babies to keep their man around. The same man who leaves the pregnant girl for the one whos not and so on.....

That is a big reason why South Carolina finally ranked close to the top on a list! Not the best list though. . .

Posted by lucy_fan on July 31, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just joshing ya, Archdude. Call them and ask them to fax you a copy of their menu.

Posted by iceman1978 on July 31, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

archdude, Try the lasanga at Philly's. I get my hair cut in the shop next to it and I always stop by Philly's for lasagna. It's a big serving so you always have leftovers for lunch the next day.

Posted by Tammie on July 31, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lmao @ Archdude!!!

Posted by Test2007 on July 31, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good grief. The monkey sex makes me think of the song "Bad Touch".

"You and me baby ain't nothin but mammals so lets do it like they do on the discovery channel"

That is a mess. Anyway, I saw a video of 3 women giving birth when I was 14. The school called it education. I called it BIRTH CONTROL. Lets not talk about it.

Posted by MissPriss on July 31, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/jul/...

Anybody care to take a look at this one?

Posted by Tammie on July 31, 2008 at 2:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lol @ Test!!

Tripsa, welcome back!! I knew you'd come back after Franzia and Velli wine came off of MVP @ Food Lion!!

Posted by iceman1978 on July 31, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You all should google a book called "Baby not on Board: A Celebration of Life without Kids" It's pretty funny.

Posted by grannyofsix on July 31, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WOW! Someone here is getting very graphic LOL I go away for a couple of hours and you kids get bad again.
Sorry been putting people to work today and cold calling YUCK.

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

woah... what? she was 19? You should always ask for picture ID.

I think I have a hard time relating to these girls who want to get pregnant because the idea of the whole "9-10lb baby coming out of the hoohoo" and the physical issues later scare the ever loving mess out of me. And I'm a fan of doing whatever it is I want to do, when I want to do it.

Posted by Test2007 on July 31, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Has anyone seen that show "Baby Borrowers"? It featured a bunch of teenage couples who thought they were ready for babies. I kept wondering why the hell would they come on tv with their stupidity.

Posted by iceman1978 on July 31, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Test2007, How about the topics on Maury Povich with the paternity tests? I can't believe people go up on that.

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Test- omg, I know what show you're talking about! I haven't watched it, but don't they actually have the couples with babies, toddlers, teenagers, etc? Like, as the "child" grows up?
It might be a good idea for people. Kind of like those baby dolls they have that cry and are supposed to act like real babies.

As for why they'd go on TV with that- they wanted babies when they're just kids themselves. Not the brightest group of people.

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by iceman1978 on July 31, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Test2007, How about the topics on Maury Povich with the paternity tests? I can't believe people go up on that.

"I've been on 11 times and still don't know my baby daddy!"

Posted by grannyofsix on July 31, 2008 at 3:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey tripsa welcome back.

Posted by Test2007 on July 31, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

iceman - unfortunately the most i have seen of maury's paternity shows have grown ass adults featured. Maybe I haven't watched it in a while but that is who I remember being on there. Grown ass skanky women who should know better. Baby borrowers featured kids who were in high school and about to go to college. That is what worries me.

Posted by iceman1978 on July 31, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

nikki, That stuff has got to be staged.

Posted by SCNightHawk on July 31, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I see the "regulars" are back to their old tricks. Apparently their parenting skills are similar to their ability to stay on point. That explains the teen age baby boom. Keep it up folks you'll be at #1 on the list before you know it.

Posted by iceman1978 on July 31, 2008 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Test, They have a doll called "Baby think it over" which is used in some school districts. It has a built-in computer that is programmed to cry at random times and it records how long it takes the person to respond and how they handle it.

Posted by grannyofsix on July 31, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think Tammie said she got a email from him saying he would not be back.

Posted by Test2007 on July 31, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

oh nikkip I forgot. At the end of the show, NONE of the couple were even still together. BIG SHOCKER.

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'd like to hope so. I mean, I'm not sure how big the "fertile" window is during the month, but how many people can you sleep with? Unless you're getting a train ran on you, there's no way that's possible.

Posted by MissPriss on July 31, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Aww that was a cute story Gadsden!

Posted by nikkiP on July 31, 2008 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

imagine that. I don't know what goes through these kids' heads. I still want to know what makes them think this would be a good idea at all, having a kid at such a young age. Even if they're not WANTING one, why would they be to careless as to not have safe sex?

Posted by Test2007 on July 31, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe that doll need to be mandatory in schools. I hate when I hear some young chick say, "I want someone to love me". Pssh, as a teenager I loved my cat just fine and he loved me too (as long as I didn't forget to feed him) and I didn't have to deal with poopy diapers either.

Posted by iceman1978 on July 31, 2008 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've never wanted kids. Even when I was still in high school I never pictured myself having children. I still have no intention of having kids today. The ones who say 'I want someone to love me' are exercising futility in that they're letting their happiness be determined by someone else.