Posted by BKLYNIRISH on July 3, 2008 at 4:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ACLU- Anti-Christian Liberal Union

They wouldn't be so bad if they spent more time defending the 2nd Amendment as they did the others.

Posted by Riptide on July 3, 2008 at 5:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Has the ACLU ever worked with the National Rifle Association to defend your second amendment rights? The answer is no. The ACLU does not believe you have a right to defend your property, your life or your family.

With the Supreme Court decision on the Kilo vs. New London; was the ACLU there for the small home owner in this person’s fight for her property’s rights against the city of New London. The answer is no again. The ACLU does not believe you have any rights to the property you worked hard for.

Two fundamental rights, the right to property and the right to defend it and where was the ACLU? The ACLU the legal arm of the socialist left in this country doesn’t believe you have a right to property or the right to defend it nor do they believe you have a right to defend your life or the lives of your family with a firearm.

What do you expect from an organization that was started by a bunch of Marxists back in the 1920s.

It's not what they say but watch what they do.

Posted by vtsusa on July 3, 2008 at 5:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Q: The state Legislature just passed an illegal-immigration reform law being touted as the toughest in the nation. What needs to happen to make sure that the enforcement of that law does not take away the civil rights of any human being?

A: There has been a huge growth in the number of immigrants here and that's created some difficult dynamics.

I don't think that as the ACLU we have been engaged with this issue enough to offer any answers but I can say we will be listening and asking for guidance and input from people around this state. Our goal will be to move towards fair and just situations.

ACLU = American Cival Liberties Union.... right?!?!?

Why would they even have to think about the issue, the key word in their name is 'American'! and fair and just for who, the illegal immigrants?? Big mistake them coming here in the first place, because whatever liberties law-abiding citizens have now are done and over with.

Posted by lillycollette on July 3, 2008 at 5:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

All of the issues that the ACLU claims to be concerned about—ARE ROUTINELY VIOLATED IN THE FAMILY COURT.

It’s time to put up or shut up.

Also see, http://www.charleston.net/users/lillycol...
Comments by lillycollette
Posted on July 3 at 3:17 a.m.

Posted by The_Mouth_of_the_South on July 3, 2008 at 6:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Now that the American Criminal Liberties Union has arrived, and Planned (murder your baby) Parenthood has added an office here, we can officially say "there goes the neighborhood"!
Maybe the child molesters union NAMBLA can sublease space from the ACLU. This would make it easier for the ACLU to defend their members when they get caught raping little children.

Posted by Thomas1776 on July 3, 2008 at 6:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Family Court is a cesspool of corruption.

Expect the ACLU to do nothing about the Family Court nor the other courts of the 9th Judicial Circuit. The ACLU is more interested in cases where they stand a good chance of being awarded huge amounts of attorney fees in tort claims, etc. Due Process takes a backseat by this group - and the people in the black robes who dishonor our system.

Posted by Johnq2 on July 3, 2008 at 6:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden-

The real reason they're here is just to piss you off!

It's about time the ACLU opened a Charleston office, they should have plenty of work. Between the "I believe" license plates, to the idiot legislature trying to allow religious symbols on public property and the bozos trying to start bible study classes in public schools they should stay busy.

Typical of South Carolinians like Gadsden to rant and rave and spew nonsense they know nothing about. They speak through their surrogate brains, Limbaugh, Hannity etc. and regurgitate their right wing ignorant propaganda at the mere mention of the correct buzzword.

Get out of they way Gadsden, South Carolina is going to be dragged into the 21st century whether you like it or not.
Attitudes like yours are why South Carolina is in last place nationwide, time for change that benefits all people and not just a few religious or racist wackos.

Posted by Thomas1776 on July 3, 2008 at 6:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

vtsusa,

It is not the toughest in the nation. Just more BS coming from the Statehouse is all. It does nothing to those who mostly employ illegals (businesses with less than 100 employees) .... your average construction company in SC employs much less than that. By the time the 2 year period for enforcement comes around, the legislatures will have amended the statute more in favor of businesses that employ illegal aliens.

The only time our State representives are not lying is when their lips are not moving.

Posted by Thomas1776 on July 3, 2008 at 6:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Seagars-Andrews is a joke. Just like our elected representives in the Statehouse. I know lawyers who have dirt on her. They hold it to their chest like ace cards.

The SC House introduced and passed a resolution on 25 June 08 with 125 signatories all recognizing and commending family court judge Francis P. Segars-Andrews for ten years of volunteering in the Charleston County Drug Court and to honor her for the exceptional difference she has made in Charleston County.
See, http://www.scsenate.org/sess117_2007-200......

Posted by ColdBeer on July 3, 2008 at 6:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow. For an Interim executive director, Graham Boyd is not too intelligent.

Quote: "The best way to protect public safety is for the police to earn the trust and the respect of the people they serve.:

Wrong! The best way to protect public safety is to get criminals off of the streets and keep them off of the streets.

Quote on the immigration issue: "I don't think that as the ACLU we have been engaged with this issue enough to offer any answers..."

Wrong! You don't have to be "engaged" to know that the illegal immigrants are criminals and that problem needs to be addressed. Get rid of the illegal immigrants and the entire immigration picture clears up.

Posted by Nonsense on July 3, 2008 at 6:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The ACLU has played a big hand in the ruination of this country and its values. I wouldn't spit on any of them if they were on fire.

Posted by Johnq2 on July 3, 2008 at 7:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nonsense -

Good name for yourself, it certainly fits your post.

Why would you say the ACLU is at fault for the ruination of the nation? Last I heard it isn't the ACLU who makes the laws. If the ACLU goes to court because the law has been violated and the courts agree with them wouldn't you say that the ACLU is doing a good thing? Or do you just want certain laws enforced?

If you really want to stop the downward slide to depression don't vote republican AGAIN next time. They have been in charge of our state for 30+ years and look where that has got us LAST in the nation in quality of life, not to mention the laughing stock of the nation. They aren't laughing at the politicians , they are laughing at the stupid voters who keep voting in the same politicians who bring them down over and over again.

And you Coldbeer, don't you think if the people respected the police they might help them solve more crimes? If the police aren't fair and don't uphold the law as is now the case with the state troopers how can you expect any trust of the police.

Posted by berthelot on July 3, 2008 at 7:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah, forget civil liberties, we have guns!

Posted by Johnq2 on July 3, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh look, all of a sudden Gadsden is a righteous christian. lmao

After the above screeds Gadsden is all of a sudden pious.

My post wasn't a troll, I asked you why the ACLU trying to uphold the law is a bad thing and you don't have an answer do you?

Have a blessed day yourself, hypocrite.

Posted by singleroni on July 3, 2008 at 7:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

well the devils lawyers have arrived in charleston.guess they will rep the serial rapist as their first client- wouldn't want his rights violated would we!!

Posted by ColdBeer on July 3, 2008 at 8:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A troll, by any other name, is still a troll :)

Posted by Johnq2 on July 3, 2008 at 8:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That's right all you right wingnuts and fake christians who can't think for yourselves listen to tripsa and Gadsden they will tell you what to think, don't post your wacko talking points because they will be challenged and slapped down by me every time.

Your mutual admiration society here is over.

Typical of republitards to attack the one advocating change rather than to respond intelligently to a different point of view.

Posted by 5thGenerationLocal on July 3, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Get them the hell out of here. that's the last thing we need is a group of retarded liberals.

The ACLU is evil to the core.

Posted by nikkiP on July 3, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Um, dear JohnQ2:

if we're so backward, why are you here? I hope you're not raising kids in a state that you claim is so far behind.

I'm getting tired of people attacking Christians. And that really has nothing to do with this article, so stop bringing personal attacks into it because you simply cannot find anything valid to say.

The ACLU seems to have it a little backward. What rights are they upholding? I don't like the idea of such extreme gun control while promoting NAMBLA. My right to own a firearm is in the constitution, and the reason most law-abiding americans own a firearm is hunting, or just to protect themselves, their family, and their property. There is nothing illegal about that.
Yet the ACLU defends NAMBLA. Who admit that they just want to have sex with small children. Am I dumb or does this make no sense?

I see them opening an office in Charleston as an invasion of these so called "progressives." I'm all for bringing things into the 21st century, but not into a liberal, socialist society. Into a capitalist, free-thinking society where the majority has the rule, not a group of greedy lawyers just looking to make a quick buck.

Seriously? NAMBLA?! How do you not get arrested just for being in that group?

Posted by coolfreaknbeans on July 3, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah a NAMBLA troll :)

Posted by Johnq2 on July 3, 2008 at 8:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nikkiP-

I see you want freedom of speech to apply only to those you approve of right?

The fake christians who post here are the ones I "attack", you know the ones who call for the death of those who have not been tried yet and then quote scripture to show how "religious" they are. At least in this state you can tell who they are by their license plates! Lol

Posted by shoelaces on July 3, 2008 at 8:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Johnq2 - if we are so backwards here in SC then why don't you go back to wherever you came from?

I love it when foreigners come to Charleston for its beauty, charm, history. Then all they want to do is CHANGE it to the places they left!!!! They remind me of LEGAL immigrants who have little to contribute but "ignorant rhetoric" on how bad it is here. Shut up, pack up, and get OUT!!!!

JOhnq - I have to admit to just skimming most of these posts but I don't think I saw anyone on your "side" today. Maybe you should call the ACLU...they wil probably take your case.

I started to apologies for being backwards but I am not sorry for believing in the traditions of the south and the laws of our nation.

I hope to God (that is until they tell me I can't say God anymore) that the presence of the ACLU doesn't affect me in the least. I can't imagine ever needing their services since I don't seem to run with the same crowds they represent.

Posted by RTC on July 3, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anyone that supports NAMBLA needs to be taken out and shot.
There is no possible explanation for the existence of just a group except for totally immoral purposes.
How can a country like ours even allow such a group to exist? Why is it not illegal?
This just blows me away that such perversion can be openly expressed.

Posted by greyrider on July 3, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

All right, let's make this official:

I now call this meeting of the mutual admiration society to order. Johnq2, you are welcome to stay and take notes.

The Old Exchange?? Are you kidding me?? The Yankees and the Red Sox are best friends compared to the ACLU and the Founding Fathers.

Charleston isn't backwards. Charleston doesn't need to "get with the times". The times need to get with Charleston.

Posted by theronce on July 3, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

jq2, I embrace change also...the constructive kind. I would like to see a return to less government interference in our lives. I want to see a return to teaching sound morality with the weight of the Christian authority in public schools. I want to have a choice in elections between candidates that want to serve their friends and neighbors but cannot do so indefinitely because they must return to their own private business to earn their keep. These are just a few of the changes that I would like to see. The change from these things is what is bedeviling us now. I believe that more of that change similar to what you advocate will put us teetering on either anarchy or tyrrany. Don't get me wrong. I do not fear these changes and tolerate them regrettably well. Tomorrow, we celebrate a day made possible by a wonderful God-called group of patriots who could rightly stand no more tyranny. I remember them.

Posted by ed52 on July 3, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

garbage by any other name is still garbage.

Posted by Newt on July 3, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

trippin - be nice:) - remember the dark side is not always evil.

John - right on man!

The ACLU defends our civil rights, do any of you remember what they are? They are the things you piss and moan about everyday!

Don't be so scared...no one is going to take your guns away! Scalia made sure of that!

ACLU - defends EVERYONE'S Religious rights....OMG you mean there are other religions in this country? You mean Americans aren't all Christians? WOW, who knew? Not some you guys!

Posted by greyrider on July 3, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tripsa, you better watch your choice of words. I hear the ACLU wants to outlaw the use of the word "evil". It's too offensive.

Posted by Newt on July 3, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gotta go.....I'll miss you trippin

Posted by greyrider on July 3, 2008 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The ACLU being discussed on the P&C website? It's going to get ugly. Newt, welcome to the jungle.

I support the rights of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, heck, even the Scientologists to publicly practice their faith.

Posted by greyrider on July 3, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

C'mon - Graham Boyd vs Jay Sekulow - pay per view

Posted by palmettotree on July 3, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

At least in this state you can tell who they are by their license plates! Lol

I have one of those license plates. I mainly got it because I am sick and tired of the atheist telling what I can and can not have on any public surface. Didn't the ACLU help in this? The ACLU can kiss my southern but! They don't provide any help to the REAL people of AMERICA. They only want to help illegals, atheist and other minorities. Why can't they help out Christians, the poor who are being kicked out of their apartments, the people who are losing their homes due to bad mortgage lending practices. I don't see that.
Coldbeer, mouth and you others God Bless You All!!

Posted by marriott99 on July 3, 2008 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Graham Boyd would do well not to stray to far off the peninsula.

Posted by drp7773 on July 3, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Mayor, religious leaders, civil right leaders..Opening their arms up to folks that want your kids to be raped either by Nambla or over nights out in the woods with Gay Boy Scout leaders. No prayer in school or before a football game but you can give advise on how to rape children.mmmmm Are these the leaders you want to keep voting in office, or to be your religious leaders ????? Where is the outrage by this paper and the clergy that really do care...

Posted by Newt on July 3, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Everyone should and does have the right to worship publicly…on the street; which the ACLU defended, in your place of worship. Why, oh, why do you need to publicly display your religious practices in a public building, that my tax dollars help sustain? I’m even OK with an invocation; just keep it non-denominational.
Can't there be inclusion?

Posted by Lovely_One on July 3, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Damn, tripsa, that is who I was trying to remember. Yes, he looks exactly like RC!!!!

Posted by Newt on July 3, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I know I do not want to take away your guns! I just want to make sure we make it as hard as possible for criminals and the mentally insane to have them.

I think there are plenty of gun laws; we just need to enforce them.

Don't we agree that there should be a process in which we ensure the "bad guys" don't get guns?

I know, I know....criminals can get guns, therefore we all need to be armed to the teeth to protect ourselves. Any suggestions...I am open to options, but please keep them sane.

I know some want to take away all guns....that will NEVER happen! But do you need an Uzi to keep your home safe? Or to kill a deer?

Trippin - it said the clip was no longer available.

Posted by Newt on July 3, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In representing NAMBLA, the ACLU does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children. What we do advocate is robust freedom of speech. ...

Posted by greyrider on July 3, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Newt - I’m even OK with an invocation; just keep it non-denominational. Can't there be inclusion?

Newt, I agree. Let's face it. The Founding Fathers (remember, the guys who wrote the Constitution) always opened official government meetings with prayer. Because the very same people who wrote the Constitution opened official meetings with prayer should make it a no-brainer that this practice IS Constitutional. However, this was done at a time when approximatley 95% of government leaders were practicing Christians. Today, most Americans do believe in one God or another, so although prayer should obviously still be considered Constitutional, I agree it should be non-denominational, asking for "God's blessing" but letting the interpretation of who that God is be left open for all present to consider it to be to their God.

Posted by BlueGrits on July 3, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The only one with a brain for reasoned discourse is JQ2.

JQ2-- You'd do better banging your head against a wall than to argue with the pack mentaility of kristofascist sychophants-..

You can't teach pigs to fly when their only ability is to wallow in slop.

Posted by greyrider on July 3, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As far as guns go, that's easy. I don't know if this is true, but it wouldn't suprise me. I once read that over 50% of violent crimes in America are committed by people with previous felony convictions, who are only walking the streets because they either plea bargained for a lesser charge (and sentence), they are on parole, or they are awaiting trial for another crime. It takes far too long for violent criminals to go to trial, bail is too low, sentences are too short, and if you don't take a swing at the parole board, they set you free.

Posted by greyrider on July 3, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tripsa, was that clip from the NRA's "Never Again" video about New Orleans?

Posted by ChrisPia on July 3, 2008 at 9:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There were 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence. There were 48 signers of the Articles of Confederation. All 55 delegates who participated in the Constitutional Convention of 1787 are regarded as Founding Fathers, in fact, they are often regarded as the Founding Fathers because it is this group that actually debated, drafted and signed the U.S. Constitution, which is the basis for the country's political and legal system. Only 39 delegates actually signed the document, however, meaning there were 16 non-signing delegates - individuals who were Constitutional Convention delegates but were not signers of the Constitution.

There were 95 Senators and Representatives in the First Federal Congress. If one combines the total number of signatures on the Declaration, the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution with the non-signing Constitutional Convention delegates, and then adds to that sum the number of congressmen in the First Federal Congress, one obtains a total of 238 "slots" or "positions" in these groups which one can classify as "Founding Fathers" of the United States. Because 40 individuals had multiple roles (they signed multiple documents and/or also served in the First Federal Congress), there are 204 unique individuals in this group of "Founding Fathers." These are the people who did one or more of the following:

- signed the Declaration of Independence
- signed the Articles of Confederation
- attended the Constitutional Convention of 1787
- signed the Constitution of the United States of America
- served as Senators in the First Federal Congress (1789-1791)
- served as U.S. Representatives in the First Federal Congress

The religious affiliations of these individuals are summarized below. Obviously this is a very restrictive set of names, and does not include everyone who could be considered an "American Founding Father." But most of the major figures that people generally think of in this context are included using these criteria, including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, John Hancock, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton and more.

Religious Affiliation
of U.S. Founding Fathers # of
Founding
Fathers % of
Founding
Fathers
Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7%
Presbyterian 30 18.6%
Congregationalist 27 16.8%
Quaker 7 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3.7%
Lutheran 5 3.1%
Catholic 3 1.9%
Huguenot 3 1.9%
Unitarian 3 1.9%
Methodist 2 1.2%
Calvinist 1 0.6%
TOTAL 204

95% percent ?

Posted by greyrider on July 3, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ChrisPia, I should have clarified, it was 95-96% if you only included the Declaration signers, although your numbers of ALL those considered Founding Fathers is accurate. It's interesting to note that Ben Franklin was a strong advocate of starting meetings with prayer.

Posted by Newt on July 3, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

grey - I agree with you on the criminal justice system. We punish and do not rehabilitate! We send people to prison and they come out better criminals and with connections!

The prison system needs to be re-vamped. Separate all the types of offenders.

Take the system, turn it upside down, shake hard. Take the prisons you have and breakdown the prisoners into groups….non-violent drug offenses, petty larceny, murderers and rapists. Use non-violent prisoners to do all the contracted work; laundry, meals, growing their own food and tending their own animals. This will teach them a trade and provide inexpensive needs to the system. And offer rehab programs to stem the flow from the revolving door we have now.
Murderers and rapists in the same prison. They will first weed out all molesters in about a month. Less mouths to feed! They will then start to turn on the rapists, even less mouths to feed. Then they will start on each other. What is left train, send to the bad *ss military division and break them down to build them up and make them an elite team with a tight leash. You now have a productive prison system that provides for itself.

Posted by greyrider on July 3, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Very pretty....but can they fight?"

Posted by Newt on July 3, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

number 1 - I think number 2 is more appropriate!

Posted by Newt on July 3, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Although Franklin's parents had intended for him to have a career in the church, Franklin became disillusioned with organized religion after discovering Deism. "I soon became a thorough Deist."[37] He went on to attack Christian principles of free will and morality in a 1725 pamphlet, A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain.[38] He consistently attacked religious dogma, arguing that morality was more dependent upon virtue and benevolent actions than on strict obedience to religious orthodoxy: "I think opinions should be judged by their influences and effects; and if a man holds none that tend to make him less virtuous or more vicious, it may be concluded that he holds none that are dangerous, which I hope is the case with me."

I know I will get something about...finding anything on the interent....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin
but this seems pretty clear to me...

Posted by greyrider on July 3, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Newt, your rendition of Franklin's EARLY life is very accurate. However, that all changed later in his life. A major influence was Franklin's friendship with Great Awakening evangelist George Whitfield, of who Franklin once said, "he hasn't converted me yet, but who knows"

And then on June 28, 1787, at the Constitutional Convention, Franklin gave the following speech:

In the beginning of the Contest with G. Britain, when we were sensible of danger we had daily prayer in this room for the divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a Superintending providence in our favor. To that kind providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful friend? I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth- that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that "except the Lord build the House they labour in vain that build it." I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing Governments be Human Wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.

I therefore beg leave to move, that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the Clergy of the City be requested to officiate in that service.

Posted by Johnq2 on July 3, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

palmettotree- You wrote"

"Why can't they help out Christians, the poor who are being kicked out of their apartments, the people who are losing their homes due to bad mortgage lending practices. I don't see that."
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You can thank the republicans who have been in charge for the last 8 years for the folks being kicked out of their houses. Did you notice the republicans are all for bailing out the mortgage lenders and could care less if the little people lose their homes.

This isn't the job for the ACLU, it is the job of those who are elected and as long as they are republicans you can expect more of the same.

Posted by Johnq2 on July 3, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by BlueGrits on July 3, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The only one with a brain for reasoned discourse is JQ2.

JQ2-- You'd do better banging your head against a wall than to argue with the pack mentaility of kristofascist sychophants-..

You can't teach pigs to fly when their only ability is to wallow in slop.
___________________________________________________

Thanks Bluegrits. I know I am outnumbered by the Limbaugh, Glenn Beck crowd here but after watching our state go downhill year after year under the republicans and the chatter in these comments cheering them on I decided it was time someone try to counter their racist, fascist agenda.

We can't afford to listen to the right wing nutjobs anymore without countering their idiotic and destructive talking points.

Posted by jeff61 on July 3, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Self-injury (SI) is defined as any intentional injury to one's own body. This disorder also is called self-harm or self-mutilation. Usually, self-injury leaves marks or causes tissue damage. Self-injury can involve many different behaviors such as bending one’s figure back which causes bone-breaking.

Self-injury can occur in any race of people. The behavior is not limited by education, age, socioeconomic status, or religion. However, there are some common factors among people who engage in self-injury. Self-injury occurs more often among who are Interim executive directors of the ACLU.

Self-injury usually occurs when Interim executive directors of the ACLU face what seems like overwhelming or distressing feelings. Self-injury also might be a reflection of a person’s self-hatred. Some self-injurers are punishing themselves for having strong feelings that they were usually not allowed.

Therapy can be used to help a person stop engaging in self-injury. Cognitive-behavioral therapy might be used to help an individual learn to recognize and address triggering feelings in healthier ways.

The prognosis (chance of recovery) for Interim executive directors of the ACLU who engage in self-injury varies depending upon a person’s emotional or psychological state and length of association with the ACLU.

Posted by redman1959 on July 3, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JohnQ, I take it from your writing that you indeed were at the ACLU festivities. My only question is, were you there on payroll or volunteer?

Posted by The_Mouth_of_the_South on July 3, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

From what I can gather about johnq2, he is most likely a charter member of NAMBLA and is overjoyed when a rapist or child molestor is released into the public on a technicality. . .

Posted by RTC on July 3, 2008 at 12:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The_Mouth_of_the_South, I think you may be right.
Doesn't this jerkwad understand that he is outnumbered on these threads for a reason?

Posted by RW on July 3, 2008 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The ACLU has moved to Charleston because they heard the convicted child rapists are being descriminated against!! Maybe NAMBLA will move into the same building!

Posted by bigwhip on July 3, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow! just finished perusing all the posts. As usual there are some inane comments, some humor, and the normal bashing. Hell, bluegrits & johnq2, the ACLU protects the right of people to voice an opinion. Let's face it; this not a group that would be invited to a family gathering in most cases. JQ2 you started all the bashing by your post. You and bluegrits should run on down there and apply for a job as a toady for Boyd.look at Boyd's travels, you know what a warped sense of values he must.

Posted by Johnq2 on July 3, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Look at all the personal attacks, NAMBLA etc. They can't dispute my posts with reasoned discourse and have to resort to name calling. Love it! Just shows how lame and desperate these throwbacks are.

The ACLU is here to protect everyone's rights, even the NAMBLA's and the ignorant redneck fake christians who show their hypocrisy with every post here.

Tell you what, I'll turn the other cheek and y'all can kiss my ass again.

Losers

Posted by Newt on July 3, 2008 at 2:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ramen John!

Posted by dr_fed on July 3, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I love this. Thank you ACLU for moving to SC. We need you to protect us from all the Jesus Freaking Christians here who want to shove their religion down our throats.

Posted by Newt on July 3, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dr. Fed - you mean in South Carolina? Sorry, couldn't resist!

I love listening to them blab on and on about the life of unborn children, but they are the first to want to string a guy up before a trial.

The only chance a child has with some of these wolfs is to stay in the womb forever, because once they come out they won't feed them, school them or house them.

Posted by Anonym0us on July 3, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Awesome. Thank fukking $DEITY I don't live in this backwards state. You republicun.ts need to wake up and realize A) what the ACLU does, B) NAMBLA no longer exists, C) the ACLU protects the Bill of Rights. Something none of you can recite other than the second.

Posted by RW on July 3, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What...NAMBLA no longer exists...I bet the ACLU is still weeping over this!You carping, whiny, bedwetting lefties no longer have control over the news. Finally the sane majority has a forum to nuke your pathetic views! Move to Cuba....they have Govt Health Care! Take your friends with you,... child molesters, flag burners, and Hollywood!! We'll be just fine without you! But..beware..criticizing the Cuban Gov't would get you shot! Child molestors as well!

Posted by Lovely_One on July 3, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden: "anonymous must be Qball's retarted sister-wife who he put up to getting an P&C account so he wouldn't feel sooo lonely."

Now that was the funniest shyt I read all day!!!

Posted by bkeelin on July 3, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

tripsa,

That video was another demonstration of what can happen in America if we don't stand up to liberal whacko's.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/article...

Dear God, send revival for I believe it is the only thing that can save this great nation of ours. Send it quickly.

Posted by BlueGrits on July 3, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The ACLU is a far better protector of the constitution then any right wing gun lobby or any other right wing action group.

The ACLU looks to protect the whole document, not just the cherry picked parts such as the second amendment..

Posted by Thomas1776 on July 3, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think Rock D with WTMA is going to eventually get sued and run off from WTMA. I can see it coming.

Posted by drp7773 on July 3, 2008 at 5:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Does this guy look like that nerd in the return of the nerds movie..might just be my eyes.....just needs the pocket pen holder .

Posted by Johnq2 on July 3, 2008 at 6:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gadsden-

Thanks for the suggestions, I will keep them in mind. I was however thinking more along these lines.

Gadsden you swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. You are a canker. A sore that won't go away. You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon. You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselves in recognition of what they had done. I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell? Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly. You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs. You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot. And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake? You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and
obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile, one-handed, slack-jawed, drooling, meat-slapper. On a good day you're a half-wit. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.

That is all...carry on.

Posted by The_Mouth_of_the_South on July 3, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JohnQ2:
So it's true. Not only are you a card carrying member of NAMBLA, but even worse. . . It seems like you might even be a member of the ACLU!

Posted by GG on July 3, 2008 at 7:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tripsa- HA! HA! Great job in revealing the true phony this JQ2 guy is.

I have read several of his comments over the past, and I truly believe he is some high school student who spends too much time on his computer. If he isn't still in high school, he probably was a goth when he was. I just sense that from the way his comments are so negative all the time.

Posted by Johnq2 on July 3, 2008 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by tripsa on July 3, 2008 at 7:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Now who is the phony johnQless?
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You are tripsa! They copied it from my website!!

Foiled again...turd

Posted by Johnq2 on July 3, 2008 at 8:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by tripsa on July 3, 2008 at 7:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL, johnq I would bet money you have no website. You are a liar. and thats that!

you are a loser. I think I will send a copy of your post to there webmaster and see who copied who.

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the report has been sent. now, lets see your web site. that spam insult has been around since 56K modems. LOL, you are such a loser.
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Posted by Johnq2 on July 3, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by tripsa on July 3, 2008 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I just want everyone to know how much of a sham you are. most already knew, but now they can see it for themselves..

goodnight Bozo Jr.

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Whew! Long day ignoring me huh tripsa!?! har, har!!

Oh! The Bozo joke was real funny..duh huh.. duh huh.

Anything else before you fall asleep in front of Fox news and your
tranquilizers kick in?

Posted by GOP10 on July 3, 2008 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Within the past two weeks, two of the biggest scumbag organizations have come to town. Planned Parenthood, with their racist policies and agendas, and now the blatantly left-wing ACLU. This is a big, stinking mess! Just some more trash from up north for Charlestonians to have to deal with.

Posted by LarryCarterCenter on July 4, 2008 at 7:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The American Civil Liberties Union calls people to know their rights and shows remedies when we are harmed.
The ACLU has done such a good job that opponents from all directions, left/right/center & irrational don't like the freedom's work these last 9 decades.
Very few politicians, legislators, jurists or administrators actually read aloud the US Constitution which all are sworn to uphold. Accordingly the ACLU is there to steer them back to lawful governance.
Every citizen can read aloud the US Constitution, it's just a handful of pages long. Better that than praying to the flag & establishing the religion of theocracy itself. When McCarthyism & personal political attacks are exposed as anaethema to our Constitution, civil discourse & freedom can ring. Let freedom ring. Liberty bells, not the hell of theocracy.

Posted by LarryCarterCenter on July 4, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

about the 20th poster above lied about the entirety of an Oregon case.... of course the perpetrator of such propaganda did not mention that an Oregon woman traveled to Kansas to murder a gynecologist. Such involvement of what I call "tampon terrorists" who insanely call fertilized human ovum: "babies" make zealots for zygotes perfectly prosecutable under RICO. It is not freedom of speech to harass and intimidate women at clinics nor murder their nurses & doctors & stalk them & bomb them. Once again, enemies of civility claim some great "good" like "babies" when exaggeration & lies are their tools. Religious extremists & fascists for corporations to control us all hate the ACLU because American Civil Liberties Unite all freedom loving people against the mandatory pregnancy law jack boots who'd have the government own every ovary & every uterus for breeding purposes so that every unwanted embryo can grow up to be a stupid soldier to get killed for oil company profiteering. That's corporation fascism for you, hides behind religion & real terror against free women.

Posted by RW on July 4, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have really enjoyed reading the pinko left getting nuked! Their idea's are stupid and have been proven failures all over the world. Here's a suggestion to you liberal lemmings...stay in San Francisco and celebrate real American Values like the Gay-Pride marches!, and partial birth abortions. Take the ACLU with you in case you see someone holding a Bible..we would not your freedom to be a secular humanist atheist threatened.

Posted by Riptide on July 5, 2008 at 7:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Every organization has a mission statement and the ACLU is no different. This organization was founded by Roger Baldwin a Marxist and has been supported by Marxists every since. Sure you may find a lawyer in the ACLU that is a liberal do-gooder but the lawyers that control that organization are hard core Marxist dedicated to the destruction of our culture. The guiding principles of Marxism is the ultimate destruction of the free enterprise system, the family, and religion.

In 1934 Baldwin authored a piece titled "Freedom in the USA and the USSR." He wrote: "The class struggle is the central conflict of the world; all others are incidental. When that power of the working class is once achieved, as it has been only in the Soviet Union, I am for maintaining it by any means whatever. Dictatorship is the obvious means in a world of enemies at home and abroad. I dislike it in principle as dangerous to its own objects. But the Soviet Union has already created liberties far greater than exist elsewhere in the world. … [There] I saw ... fresh, vigorous expressions of free living by workers and peasants all over the land. And further, no champion of a socialist society could fail to see that some suppression was necessary to achieve it. It could not all be done by persuasion. … [I]f American champions of civil liberty could all think in terms of economic freedom as the goal of their labors, they too would accept 'workers' democracy' as far superior to what the capitalist world offers to any but a small minority. Yes, and they would accept — regretfully, of course — the necessity of dictatorship while the job of reorganizing society on a socialist basis is being done."

With the constant attacks on Christianity, the global warming hoax, the illegal alien issue, the erosion of our property rights, our right to defense, a fifth column of Islamic terrorists in this country and giving them rights, is it any wonder our culture and our way of life is going down the tubes from the likes of lawyers from the ACLU.

Posted by RW on July 5, 2008 at 9:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Riptide,

Excellent points! The ACLU is an evil organization and they can not change that! Informed people know what their agenda is. They can not achieve what they want without their effeminate and butchy lawyers and activist judges!! They have declared war on civil society. We should declare war on them! Pinko Commies!!!!

Posted by chas_chat on July 5, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is an interesting quote from the founder of the ACLU, Roger Baldwin: "I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately the abolishing of the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal." (written in his 1935 Harvard U class book). The ACLU is only interested in protecting and upholding the civil liberties that promote their secular, communist agenda.

Posted by drp7773 on July 5, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You can thank the pinko Judges and gutless lawyers for this piece of garbage organization to exists....