Blacks more likely to get HIV/AIDSAgencies working to get trend reversed By Prentiss Findlay (Contact)
The Post and Courier
Thursday, February 7, 2008
Agencies working to get trend reversed 
Grace Beahm Lowcountry AIDS Services and the state DHEC will offer free HIV and AIDS testing and screening today at Trident Technical College's Palmer Campus. If you go--AIDS testing will be offered from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. today in the student lounge at the Palmer Campus of Trident Technical College, 66 Columbus St. --DHEC will test for the HIV virus and syphilis from 2 to 8 p.m. at Food Lion, 1316 Red Bank Road, Goose Creek, and the results will be provided later at local health departments. --HIV testing also will be offered today and Friday at public health clinics at 3 Charleston Center and at 109 W. Main St. in Moncks Corner. --There is no charge for the tests. The statistics tell a startling story. Blacks are 30 percent of the state population but account for 72 percent of recently diagnosed cases of AIDS and HIV virus infection. It's a trend that Lowcountry AIDS Services and the state Department of Health and Environmental Control want to begin to reverse with free risk-assessment screening, diagnostic testing and counseling. HIV tests that take as little as 20 minutes for results will be offered today in the student lounge at the Palmer Campus of Trident Technical College, 66 Columbus St. Tests also will be offered in other locations. "The young people come in droves because they want to know," said Virginia King, director of prevention services for Lowcountry AIDS Services. The events are part of National Black HIV/AIDS Awareness Day, which is today. "It's definitely an increasing population. Some of it is tied to poverty, whether it's HIV or any other chronic illness. However, HIV really does not discriminate," King said. Those who want to be tested at the Trident Tech Palmer Campus today first will be interviewed to assess their risk for HIV infection, and the rapid testing will be offered if it is warranted. Risk factors that could indicate a need for testing include unprotected sex, multiple sex partners and drug and alcohol abuse, King said. If the preliminary test result is positive, the person is referred to the health department for further testing to determine the level of HIV virus in the blood, she said. Since 2002, Lowcountry AIDS Services public testing events have identified 45 people positive for the HIV virus, she said. DHEC will not screen for risk factors before offering the HIV virus and syphilis test. "We will not be turning anyone away," said Catherine Lamkin, director of health education for the regional DHEC office. Lamkin said blood samples drawn in Goose Creek will be sent to a lab for testing. Results will be provided during an appointment at the local health department, she said. Dot Scott, Charleston NAACP president, said it is demeaning to be tested in a public place for the HIV virus and syphillis. Grocery shoppers at the Food Lion in Goose Creek on Red Bank Road will see people lined up to have blood drawn for diseases that have moral connotations related to sexual promiscuity, she said. Being able to afford medical care is a key factor in the rise of HIV infection and AIDS among blacks, she said. "Everything plays into this. It's not just a simple answer. I really believe that access to health care has more to do with it than anything else," Scott said. The NAACP, the National Urban League and other groups Thursday urged Congress to repeal a 20-year-old ban on federal funding for needle-exchange programs, the Associated Press reported. More than 200 such programs have been established locally and regionally across the country, with the aim of slowing the rate of HIV infection among drug addicts who might otherwise use contaminated needles. Advocacy groups say the ban on federal funding leaves many of the programs in a shaky financial position while deterring many state and local officials from supporting needle exchange, the AP reported. South Carolina does not have a needle-exchange program. There is some heroin use here, but most of the illegal drug use does not involve injections, King said. "It's not significant to the point where you would have to have a needle-exchange program," she said. In South Carolina, nearly seven of every 10 men and eight of every 10 women who receive an AIDS or HIV virus diagnosis are black. And 80 percent of 15-to-24-year-olds who are newly diagnosed with HIV/AIDS are black, according to the DHEC. In 2005 and 2006, the latest available figures, 180 people were newly diagnosed with the HIV virus in Charleston, Berkeley and Dorchester counties, which represented 12 percent of the new HIV cases statewide. New HIV cases diagnosed and reported in the tri-county area during 2005 and 2006 decreased by 26 percent compared to the 1999-2000 period, according to DHEC. In the tri-county area, 67 percent of new HIV/AIDS cases occurred among men and 33 percent among women, according to a DHEC 2006 profile summary. Among 120 people who reported risk factors, men who have sex with men represented the largest proportion of recent infections at 48 percent, followed by men and women who have heterosexual contact at 43 percent. Eight percent were infected through injecting drugs. By ethnicity and race, 61 percent of those diagnosed with HIV/AIDS in the tri-county area were black, 32 percent were white and 7 percent were Hispanic. Among women, 75 percent were black, 18 percent were white and 7 percent were Hispanic. Among men, 53 percent were black, 39 percent were white and 7 percent were Hispanic. Reach Prentiss Findlay at pfindlay@postandcourier.com or 937-5711. Post and Courier reporter Jill Coley contributed to this story. |
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Posted by Chancellor on February 7, 2008 at 3:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Just like we need to change sentencing guidelines to reduce the percentage of blacks in prison, so must we change the causes of AIDS so that this number too can be decreased. Just like the blacks that are in prison are not responsible for the crimes that their society forced them to commit, neither are the blacks with AIDS responsible for using dirty needles and putting parts of their bodies where they don't belong. Wake up America....
Posted by wpc3iop on February 7, 2008 at 5 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It's all about personal responsibility...
Posted by moonpie on February 7, 2008 at 6:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
P_M
I'm glad you followed up your first question. I was beginning to think you didn't know the answers.
But YES it's factual that they do commit a high percentage of crime, have children out of wedlock at an enormous rate, and are promiscuous. You know someone had to impregnate those women at Gadson Green. They didn't total 30 kids between the 5 of them because they were knocked up by aliens!
Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on February 7, 2008 at 6:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Blacks are promiscuous? …And that’s your final answer? How ignorant, however, not at all surprising that such a generalization was made. I did not realize that I was promiscuous. Thanks, I’ll try to control myself! If it had been said that blacks who have been diagnosed with the disease were promiscuous, I would have understood your mindset, but to say ALL Blacks are promiscuous is just dim-witted and erroneous.
Why do Blacks have a higher rate of AIDS and HIV than other ethnic groups? Perhaps: 1.) Blacks are more likely to be tested. 2. ) Needle sharing plays a huge role. 3.) Black females are infected at a higher rate than black males AND black females-unlike Black males- have a tendency to stay with sexual partners within the [Black] race thus creating a vicious cycle. 4.) Finally, another important factor could be that like all other funding, domestic HIV/AIDS funding has been decreased by 19% from 2002-2007.
As for promiscuity: “Research indicates that blacks’ sexual behavior is no different than those of whites,” “The most important factor in the increasing number of HIV cases in the African American community is the prevalence of HIV in the community. Racial groups tend to have sex with members of their own racial group. The mere fact that prevalence is higher among black people means that a black person having sex with another black person is more likely to bump into someone who is HIV infected than white people are.”
Source:http://www.blackaids.org/ShowArticle.aspx?pagename=ShowArticle&articletype=SITEFEATURE&articleid=308&pagenumber=1
I find it really heartrending when the opportunity to discuss an issue that affects so many, is “hijacked” by ignoramuses sold on displaying to the entire world their lack of intelligence especially as it relates to having prudent dialogue about race. You wonder why SC is last in most that is excellent and progressive, re-read some of your posts to see how you contribute to the lack of progress-even as it relates to having intelligent discussion.
Posted by sherlock on February 7, 2008 at 6:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Just like the blacks that are in prison are not responsible for the crimes that their society forced them to commit, neither are the blacks with AIDS responsible for using dirty needles and putting parts of their bodies where they don't belong"
Chancellor, I certainly hope that you are being sarcastic with this comment. Of course people in prison are responsible for the crimes that they committed and of course they are responsible for the drugs that they put into their bodies with needles, dirty or not. They choose to commit these offenses against themselves and others and they have to pay the price for such.
Posted by karmann on February 7, 2008 at 7:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
How about a program on a sexual abstinence, drug free life style? As a society, like it or not, we reap the rewards of what we teach or find allowable for our youth.
Posted by Hey_U_Guys on February 7, 2008 at 7:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
HIV/AIDS is a horrible thing to live with. I feel sorry for anyone infected with either disease. Let's not sit here and say that blacks have AIDS because they are more promiscuous, or because they share dirty needles. It's a matter of not knowing your partner has a disease. It doesn't matter how promiscuous someone is, it only takes ONE person to give you the disesase.
In my opinion, there needs to be more public awareness classes offered. Maybe they should incorporate a more detailed Health class in the schools. Have people living with these diseases speak publicly at high schools and colleges. A lot of people have that "it won't happen to me" mentality. This is not something you want to gamble with. Protect yourself the best you can. Sex is a dangerous thing these days with all the diseases associated with it. I think this free HIV/AIDS testing is a wonderful thing. I hope they have a terrific turnout.
On another note, I can't believe SC doesn't have blood testing for marriages. A lot of other states have a mandatory blood test due before you get your marriage license. This checks for all the STD's, AIDS/HIV, genetic disorders, and to see if you are related. Maybe more states should take this into effect.
Posted by tripsa on February 7, 2008 at 7:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Risk factors that could indicate a need for testing include unprotected sex, multiple sex partners and drug and alcohol abuse, King said"
BEHAVIOR. personal actions. There isnt little white guys running around infecting blacks.
I can see this is going to be a long and heated blog.
In the end, there will be plenty of people trying to be PC and blame it all on the evil white man or that evil GW and the republicans.
Until we face the truth no matter the problem, solutions will not be found only band-aids.
Posted by COFC2007 on February 7, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey U Guy and My 50 Cent Worth at least you guys are making sense with the AIDS issue. We need to find a way to tackle the issue not just in South Carolina but throughout the world as well. Instead of saying something stupid and ignorant we should put our head together to fine a solution.
Posted by tripsa on February 7, 2008 at 7:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Being politicaly correct can kill. Its not just blacks, its in high risk behavior among many groups, including meth mouth among whites - Richland county.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f...
http://www.chicagopride.com/news/article...
Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on February 7, 2008 at 7:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Tripsa:
I think the issue is that HIV/AIDS is highest among blacks and proposed reasons for the rates being so high among the race was being discussed. My point was not that "there's a little white guy 'running' around infecting blacks." Another point I tried to make was: to just say "blacks are promiscuous" and call that the solutions is ridiculous.
I think YOU are trying to make it politically correct by saying, "it's not just blacks." Yes, it is! But, just because one ethnic group is being "called out" there can be intelligent discussion about it.
Posted by Early on February 7, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
MY 50, sorry dude I have to disagree a little with your post.
Blacks are more promiscuous but look at the influence. The music videos should be rated R or X, drug use is more prominent, multi partners are more prominent, poverty (at least in our area) and all that crap. I don’t think the article is fibbing.
What I did like about the article is that it is an opportunity to either give piece of mind or a treatment option to those that may fit the lifestyle. I also agree with Scott that a Food Lion grocery store is not a good place to give their test especially in the days of patient confidentiality considerations. Out of all the reasons, I believe poverty his the aids crowd the hardest. It’s unlikely to see influential well to do blacks with aids.
Posted by justme2 on February 7, 2008 at 7:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Is sex the only way that the AIDS/HIV virus is contracted? Do your research!! Or How did the the other percentage of AIDS/HIV carriers get the disease, twiddling their fingers?
Stop blaming every negative aspect of society on the Black Race or culture!!! I noticed on these posts that If a black person did anything positive or tried to do something positive to improve, the narrow minded posters have something Negative to say.
Blacks are not the only ones having illicit sex,having children out of wedlock, are on State aid of some sort, commit crime, carry guns, ARE POOR, does not work, use food stamps, live in the ghetto, sell drugs, use drugs, get Aids, uneducated, ignorant, violent, and the list goes on.
THese are all subjects that the Black-bashers have negatively and wrongly attributed to all Blacks - young, old,from all walks of life.
This is getting sickening, I'm beginning to wonder if the P & C editors or whoever are Racists, as they seem to only sensationalize stories on Blacks, every day, no matter how trivial or insignificant a story is, if a black is involved, it is blown up.
Seems as if they can't get readers unless there is a story with a black in it, then the ratings and posting goes up.
Posted by Early on February 7, 2008 at 7:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
How does that effect everyone? Well if you are a care giver, policeman, fireman, rescue or ambulance, dental field, social worker, on and on. It's not just a black issue, it's an issue for all.
Posted by tripsa on February 7, 2008 at 8:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
When I say its not just blacks, I meant that there are major portions of society that are self-destructing due to their behavior.
In this case, blacks are infected (with HIV)at a higher rate because of their choices in behavior.
My point was, there cant be "intelligent" discussion, because before to long, anyone pointing out the facts will be labeled a racist. PC is the duct tape of the left. If in fact the higher rates are in the black community, then they ARE engaging in self-destructive behavior. Is it because they are black or because of what they do?
Or will there be numerous excuses and blame spewing forth to avoid the pointing of fingers right where they belong - at those engaging in the very behavior that cause HIV/AIDs.
Posted by tripsa on February 7, 2008 at 8:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
AND JohnQ makes my point - Thank you
JohnQ
"I can see it is time for the Charleston KKK (Compassionate Christians against Christs teachings) to show up and spew their hate filled racist crap."
You, Johnq are the one that is filled with hate, bitterness and anger.
Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on February 7, 2008 at 8:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Early:
You are entitled to disagree…dude. “Blacks are more promiscuous but look at the influence. The music videos should be rated R or X, drug use is more prominent, multi partners are more prominent, poverty (at least in our area) and all that crap.”
I think your statement is absurd and quite frankly I am not at all surprised that you would make such an assertion. I can very well say that whites are promiscuous, and site the very same sources and reasons as my “argument.” I do not think the article is “fibbing” either. If that is what you interpreted then I would say that it is certainly not the first time you have wrong. For you or anyone else to say that “blacks” are promiscuous sound like a good answer and, of course it is the easiest no brainer to run with…so take it. Multiple sex partners do not mean that you are promiscuous. It simply means that you have had sex with more than 1 person. For example: a woman who has married 3 different men and have had sex with ONLY those three men in her life is not promiscuous in my opinion. A woman who is married and having sex with 3 different men, however is a different story in my opinion.
You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. Today we disagree.
Posted by Hey_U_Guys on February 7, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Check out these astounding numbers. These were from 2007.
http://www.avert.org/worldstats.htm
Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on February 7, 2008 at 8:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Please do not “hijack” the dialogue that should be focused on this issue with political and racist banter.
Have a great day folks.
Posted by tripsa on February 7, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Once again Johnq, you demonstrate your 1 Dimensional hatred. Its your way of thinking and blameing everyone else that is the biggest part of this problem.
The money would not need to be spent if people didnt engage in risky behavior.
Again, to 50cents, you see what I mean, Johnq is here and there goes the discussion. He will just spew his ignorant BS and as always, contribute nothing.
Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on February 7, 2008 at 8:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
BTW---Okay Tripsa:
I get what you say about self-destructive behavior and I agree with that.
Posted by ironhorse on February 7, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Risk factors that could indicate a need for testing include unprotected sex, multiple sex partners and drug and alcohol abuse, King said"
Why didn't she mention gay lifestyle as a high risk? Isn't it still the highest risk group? Did she not mention that because it is not politically correct?
Later in the article this statement appears: Among 120 people who reported risk factors, men who have sex with men represented the largest proportion of recent infections at 48 percent.
That wasn't contributed by quotation. Was it the reporter relying on data?
If the truth isn't addressed because of political correctness then the highest risk group (and most promiscuous) will continually be accepted and tolerated.
I hope not.
Posted by theronce on February 7, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I cannot seem to buy into the idea that we need more awareness education. I do not accept that there are significant numbers of people that do not know how to get hiv/aids. I know many people from all walks of life, high and low. None are that ignorant. I have seen no story in any media showing the vast numbers of people who do not know how to get and how to avoid the disease. People who know how to get the disease know what to avoid and how to avoid it. So how do we get them to act responsibly?
Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on February 7, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good point about homosexuality, Ironhorse:
It has been found that black men who engage in sex with men, many times do not consider themselves 'gay' especially due to the fact that they are still having sex with women. They live a lifestyle referred to as "down-low" and never reveal this information to female sex partners.
There are many, many factors involved.
Posted by tripsa on February 7, 2008 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
JohnQ, I have no idea what your saying, I am simply stating the obvious - "If in fact the higher rates are in the black community, then they ARE engaging in self-destructive behavior. Is it because they are black or because of what they do?"
and I posted earlier - "In the end, there will be plenty of people trying to be PC and blame it all on the evil white man or that evil GW and the republicans." And along came Johnq.
You are the only one here throwing out your racist crap. And I correctly predicted it would happen.
You are a joke. You need to shut - up. save us your rants. they are all the same no matter the subject.
allwoman gets my point, she makes the same point.
Posted by Hey_U_Guys on February 7, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This site only has the info from 2005 and earlier, but check out the race/ethnicity stats: http://www.avert.org/usastatr.htm
This is by age group: http://www.avert.org/usastata.htm
This is by state: http://www.avert.org/usastats.htm
Posted by Early on February 7, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My 50 you are extremely naive, don’t have teenagers or don’t get out much.
But you hatred for me and those like me as you group us skewed you response.
JohnQ would find a reason to blame the white man for the sun coming up in the east.
The article is not about all this other crap your spewing, it’s about the RAMPANT infection of the black population involved in activities that could lead to infection in the Charleston SC area. And it’s probably due to the reasons the article mentioned but as usual, the some black posters will just use it as a battle field instead of ADDRESSING the issue hence why nothing gets done about the original problem, how typical.
Allwoman, by your post you set yourself away from others. Your posts are excellent and demand respect. Not just on this article but all. If I were black, I would be frustrated also about being grouped all together. If I have posted in that manner, I am sorry and will try and do better.
Posted by mypointofview on February 7, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
FACT: Keep your privates in your pants and don't inject yourself with needles; then your likelihood of getting HIV/AIDS is about nil.
Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on February 7, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Early,
I am not at all naive, I just have an opinion that differs from yours and I am not afraid or intimidated by any response you may have, unlike lots of other blacks who tend to post on this website. I have a teenage son; yes, my spouse and I are raising a black man.
Additionally, to add to my perspective: I travel, not just our nation, but the world and I am an avid reader. My perspective is based on what I have seen and read…from a variety of sources. I will not run with the first thing I see. Also, I am not a bandwagon poster. I post my opinion and have not blamed anyone for “black issues”…never have.
It is really sad how you base differing opinions, as "hatred" of you. If I agree with you, I am alright-"good post"; but, if I disagree, I am hateful...a hateful black. That's really sad; I have a great deal of respect for opinions that differ from mine, but be certain that I will rebut when I don't agree-just like you.
Again, there are many factors involved in the AIDS/HIV epidemic among Blacks and perhaps if they can all be identified and addressed, we can move a step closer to resolving the issue.
Early, I hope we can continue to agree to disagree.
Posted by Hey_U_Guys on February 7, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Rare: Fat people are getting pretty pi$$ed in Mississippi. They want to ban restaurants from serving the obese.
Posted by newto843 on February 7, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
After reading this article I just knew the comments section was going to be filled with racial arguments. I agree with some of the above where it was mentioned that they really left out allot about gay men being the highest risk factor. Irresponsible gay men who hide it and then have sex with women are probably the greatest danger to all in the U.S. In my opinion the only place where race may come into play here is that the black community can some times be much more discriminating against homosexual men. This forces people underground and creates a hidden culture that can be much more dangerous than say the openly gay communities in San Francisco and Seattle. These openly gay communities have tremendous resources at hand to educate and communicate the risk factors, something those who are forced underground are lacking.
Posted by teeitup on February 7, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Seems like johnq was the first to mention this being racist.
johnq is trying so hard to be white. bro we don't want you
Posted by whome on February 7, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The P&C really needs to change the headline. The way that it's read, it seems to imply that african-american inherently are more susceptible to HIV infection (which may be true if the whole HIV bubonic plague resistance theory is valid), but the article is more about the disparate impact HIV has on african-americans.
Posted by Early on February 7, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
So, if we all have vented now!
Let's suppose universal healthcare comes in with the next president, what financial effect does this epidemic going to have on the system. Once that picture comes to mind, what steps do we take to resolve the issue? I say preventive measures are the only long term effect. Look at Africa and India, though the death rate is extremely high, the mortality rate has come down dramatically, the spread has decreased and it’s all due to education. Seems if third world countries can attack the problem with success, we could do the same starting in the lower school grades. There is no quick fix solution so it’s better to start with the young.
Posted by devster on February 7, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Nationally, according to:
http://www.avert.org/statsum.htm
Blacks are at 44% and Whites are at 35%. That's not a huge difference to me. It is definitely disproportional to the total population numbers, but I believe what is important here is the lifestyle choices AIDs victims make.
As someone else pointed out, you can see that male on male is the biggest rate of infection for Men, but women mostly get infected from men.
It still looks like the biggest contributing factor is sex, so wrap it up and you have a much better chance of not getting infected. Condoms are cheap.
Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on February 7, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Arch,
'Sounds' like you are doin' the 2-step. What do you mean? Speak "your piece" A-dude!
Unfortunately, I don’t think this issue will catch on with the new administration [if universal health care is introduced] because there are so many other issues that seem to be of great importance such as cancer, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, etc. I think AIDS/HIV, in America-not just as it relates to Blacks- is rated along the lines with obesity, smoking and alcoholism…personal choices.
It funny [not ha ha] how India and Africa achieved their success with a great deal of our founding and A-list celebrities as the number of cases in America continues to increase.
What do you think...anyone?
Posted by Missthang on February 7, 2008 at 9:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
So many people on here sound so ignorant. I know of plenty white people that sleep with black people so it's just not the black race. moonpie, I'm insulted that you refer to blacks as "they". You're a racist and your comment was ignorant.
Posted by crankyyankee on February 7, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I do feel whites have relegated blacks to the roll of second class citizens giving them a defeatist attitude and turning them away from (white) social structure. However it is the black community that needs to get past the negative stereotypes and profiling and show their worth. I think both races would be suprised at what could be accomplished working together. It won't happen in my life but one day being a black male won't come with the stigma it does presently. Hopefully all the races will embrace productivity and reject social protest and division. I don't see this happening with the slate of divisive candidates we presently have to choose from. The rich aren't the villians and the poor aren't the problem. Leadership is. Peace to all!
Posted by newto843 on February 7, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You nailed it Devster. I don't have any stats handy but I know male to female transmission is something like 10 times higher than the other way around.
Posted by devster on February 7, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
crankyyankee:
As the saying goes: "It'll all come out in the wash".
It sucks right now for the people that get the short end of the stick, but it really will solve itself with time. It may not be in our lifetime but it WILL happen.
All of what we are experiencing now is what will help to shape the future. It may seem dire, but it is all part of the process. Unfortunately it will just take time.
Posted by newto843 on February 7, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Another thought here, the demographics of those who use meth and heroin are predominately white. Meth has been spreading across the country like wild fire in recent years. I would guess that the needle percentage rates above are actually lower than the national average.
Posted by greyrider on February 7, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Blanket statements are rarely accurate. No group is "all this" or "all that". There is a serious problem in this country where a small percentage of young black men find their self-worth in sexual conquests, the old notches in the gun belt mentality. Problem is, when it comes to HIV/AIDS, it only takes a small percentage of promiscuous, infected people to cause it to spread like wildfire. You may have a good, decent young black woman, who makes one bad decision (choosing the wrong guy)and disaster strikes.
Posted by anothernobody on February 7, 2008 at 10:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
HIV/AIDS is horrible and devastating. It is also fairly easily preventable. Only sick and ignorant people of any color would knowingly risk passing this disease on irresponsibly and that irresponsibility includes knowingly engaging in behaviors which have been shown to be high risk activities for this epidemic and not getting tested. There is NO reason other than blatant ignorance that this disease has to continue... AT LEAST in the US. Imagine logging on to the internet without some type of anti-virus software ( practically unheard of these days) but you can't use a condom??? People who cannot be responsible don't deserve to be able to have sex. For goodness sake we require a license to drive a car but any idiot can go out and have unprotected sex??? Where are we going? Just my thoughts.
Posted by Hey_U_Guys on February 7, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
To prove the "gay case", check out these numbers. Look how many more people have been diagnosed with HIV/AIDS in San Francisco than any other Californian city.
http://www.aidshotline.org/crm/asp/refer...
MSM means: Men sleeping with Men.
95% men: http://www.aidshotline.org/crm/asp/refer...
Posted by greyrider on February 7, 2008 at 10:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Just passing this on. Obviously I did not know the man, can't vouch for him. But back in the late 90's, a doctor who did HIV/AIDS research for the Clinton Administration called a press conference to dispute Clinton's version of their findings. The doctor claimed that while condoms worked as good protection from other STD's, their research found NO conclusive proof that condoms are ANY protection from HIV/AIDS. He said that because condoms are not solid material, they are woven, the virus can go thru. He said that even though these "holes" are microscopic, the problem with HIV/AIDS is that it is so small, he wasn't sure anything could stop it. This press conference was what started the whole "abstinence movement" in Washington. Again, I'm no doctor, I can't vouch for what he said, but I remember this clearly from about 10-12 years ago. This was what started the whole condoms vs abstinence argument.
Posted by ticket3477 on February 7, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If blacks arent more promiscuous then why are there more poor black familys in the projects than there are poor white families? Im confused...at least here in the low country its plainly obvious that they dont know what birth control and condoms are. Hence why they get aids...
I worked with a couple younger black kids at a restaurant I used to work at and all they talked about was having unprotected sex with girls and trying to have babies!...I told them they were stupid but they just brushed it off and said I didnt understand because i wasnt from the "hood", bc Im just a white girl.
Please...promiscuity and ignorance is the reason why aids is more prevalent in black society...not because they only have sex with each other. Its because in general most of them just dont care to protect themselves.
And Im really not even joking or trying to be cute...and they were all funny, nice guys...maybe it just shocked me because I would never do that.
Posted by newto843 on February 7, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I mentioned the hidden gay culture above but that got me to thinking. How many men get infected while in prison and then return to the streets and infect others. I had heard of some correctional institutions considering making condoms available in prisons although I do not know if any actually do. I don't know if a prison rapist would have the courtesy to protect himself but maybe those who were consensual would.
Posted by Early on February 7, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My 50, your right, we would have better luck with,,,I don't know Hanna Montana spreading the news than teachers and clinics. And your also right, other diseases would take priority over our AIDS status.
Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on February 7, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Okay, Arch:
What are the "cultural factors" and "deeply rooted underlying factors?" Further, what is the "counterculture?"
I read your post a few times; I guess I am just not that smart.
I do, however, plan to do more research on your statement with regard to sickle cell because I happen to have the trait, which fortunately was not passed to my son. I had not heard of that until you mentioned.
Sorry to irritate by asking you to clarify your statement. But who better to ask than you?
Posted by forget on February 7, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think most of it comes down to personal responsibility.
I'm very confused about why alot of young people today don't use birth control. I'm going to use those mothers in Gadsden as an example (probably going to get flack for this) . There is no good reason for those mothers to have 25 children between them. If you can afford to take care of them, go for it. But they obviously can't.
Also, fathering children by different women seems to be what SOME young black men see as a sign of their manhood.
Also some of them don't admit to being gay, they have sex on "the down low".
I mean, all of this has got to figure in the statistics.
Posted by msplacedinsc on February 7, 2008 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Palmetto Man
What does Black Folks with HIV/Aids have anything to do with 90% of Black Folks voting for Obama in SC?
What's your point....even if you have one?
Posted by CHRISJIII on February 7, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The title of this article is very misleading and I'm guessing that it was intentionally done by the PC. People tend to get caught up in the percentage numbers as opposed to the hard numbers. If you look at the hard numbers you will see that the number of people infected by race is higher among whites. What is really amazing is the level of ignorance that is being displayed in some of these posts.
Posted by charles on February 7, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"HIV really does not discriminate," King said.
Actually, the good news is that HIV DOES discriminate. Because HIV discriminates so consistently, it is very easy to predict who is likely to get it.
The other good news is that the discrimination is based almost solely on behavior...something any individual can change to avoid the disease.
Reducing poverty won't reduce AIDS, because you don't get it from being poor. More health care won't help either because you don't get AIDS from going to the Doctor.
The problem is the risky behavior. One side issue that contributes is the continued refusal to state plainly that multiple sex partners and drug use are wrong. Teach kids that and your AIDS problem will become very minor.
Posted by MC29461 on February 7, 2008 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It seems too many folks after reading "Blacks" in the title just skipped reading this article and went straight to the comment section began their tired old racist tirades.
Consider that even in your comments you become either part of the solution or part of the problem.
Posted by Chief_SittingBull on February 7, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The article was great. I am glad light is being shed on the issue and there was pretty good discussion even with the race factor. Great points were made about the roles of homosexuality, “down low life styles,” needle sharing and the high rate of AIDS/HIV among black women.
My_50 and Allwoman: I agree with you both 100% even though there was an attempt to make it look like your comments are on opposite ends of the spectrum. You both find the generalizations ridiculous and you spoke on it. Good for you. Your posts were very insightful.
Hey_You_Gs and 50: All of your posts were spot on. Great Internet links also, HYG.
ChrisJIII, are you really surprised?
Posted by newto843 on February 7, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Charles,
I have to disagree with the discrimination part above at least to an extent. It sounds more like an abstinence policy than anything else. Once a certain demographic becomes this inundated with the virus very normal behavior can be just as dangerous.
Although multiple partners is certainly risky and that should be taught what is your definition of wrong?
Posted by SCdeacinNYC on February 7, 2008 at 12:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What Magic Johnson "took" was the more than half a billion dollars he is worth. Quite simply, if you are wealthy the better medical treatment you receive and the less likely you will be of ever contracting full blown AIDS.
This is a very complex discussion and I sort of read it and sighed because I don't even want to get involved with this today. But, it is an issue that is near to me because I work in the HIV/AIDS section at a large international organization. So, I'll prevent myself from starting a long-winded soap box lecture.
There are many factors at play here, mostly the lack of valuable sex education, poverty and yes the down-low factor plays out in the black community. Esepcially in the south, where being homosexual is not accepted AT ALL. So, people keep their relationships secret and un-monogamous. There was a good Primetime special on HIV/AIDS in the black community, especially in the South a few months back. I suggest you all check it out before mouthing off with blanket statements like "blacks are more promiscious" sounds like that statement came out of some 1912 Eugenics journal or "Birth of a Nation" give me a break.
Also please check out the facts and causes of the HIV/AIDS epidemic to understand the issue better. I'll send some sites later on "know your epidemic"
Posted by CHRISJIII on February 7, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Chief: Not really.
Posted by Chief_SittingBull on February 7, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Just checking!
Posted by EcuiramLeVar on February 7, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Lordy, lordy, the spelling and grammar alone make the PC comments a must-visit nearly every day.
Promiscuity among black people in Charleston is probably about equal to the promiscuity among the married white men who live SOB and elsewhere.....as any gay person in Charleston could tell you if you asked them.
Posted by Test2007 on February 7, 2008 at 1:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have to disagree on a few points. I don't think black people are more promiscuous then any other group. I am not going to get started on the intravenous drug use issue. The last I heard, those drugs aren't as popular in the community.
The "promiscuity" stereotype goes back a while. Even before the so-called rap videos and all. People automatically thought blacks were more "sexual" than other races. I have to disagree. I don't think promiscuity is the cause for it.
People not using condoms and the down-low phenomenon are what I think are the major issues. A lot of these women are sleeping with men they are in relationships with (husbands, boyfriends and fiancees) but these men are not being honest with them. I hate to blame the men but I am going to.
As for promiscuity, come on, that is an issue that affects all groups. Singling one group out is just plain idiotic and yes you will be called out as a racist for saying it. General healthcare is another issue. A lot of black people don't go to the doctor like they should. Why do you think black women are least likely to get breast cancer but more likely to die?
Posted by SCdeacinNYC on February 7, 2008 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Please check out these sites and educate yourself:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/
OR
http://www.unaids.org/en/KnowledgeCentre...
Posted by captivated on February 7, 2008 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Great reading! I always enjoy a thread with so many hits, so many different opinions and views and lots of polite bickering. This story is very important to all of our futures and it is very commendable to see that young folks are showing concern by participating in the awareness and reversal of this very important social problem. However, HIV/AIDS has been around for some time now and there seems to be no news on finding a cure or a vaccine for this epidemic. It would seem that, unless you have Magic Johnson money, you are doomed. Anyone heard of any important breakthroughs on finding a cure for this ,yet?
Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on February 7, 2008 at 1:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
SCdeacinNYC:
What do you know about a link between AIDS/HIV and sickle cell? Just curious; I find that "relationship" interesting, if there is a relationship. There were no articles on the CDC link you sent.
Posted by preachlove on February 7, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Test2007 - Great points. If anyone needs to know about promiscuity, just point yourself to entertainment news. It's everywhere.
My personal opinion and it's just that: Black men on the down-low have contributed to many HIV cases in the low-country. These men say they're not gay, but they live secret lives with a male partner, then go home to their wife or girlfriend infecting them. This phenomena, if I can call it that, has been in the news and around for a long time. I saw guy on Ophra discussing it who was actively involved in this culture and he was VERY promiscuous.
Some of these men are highly educated and are pillars of the community, not just inmates released from prisons. These guys operate in all walks of life, from fast food jobs to lawyers and clergymen - They are a secret group of men with their own signals to each other. A lot of this was brought out on the Ophra show. Unfortunately, they cause death and the destruction of black families.
I feel this situation has been a major contributor to the HIV/Aids problem in the community.
Posted by SCdeacinNYC on February 7, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
50 cents worth,
There is no link.
Sickle cell is prevalent in malaria stricken areas including West Africa and some parts of asia. Because the gene adds some sort of resistance or immunity to malaria it is's been an evolutionary advantage for people from those reason in some ways.
However, we don't have malaria in America so it's presence in African-American is tied to the prevalent West African ancestry. There have been studies done on this. I can see if I can find one. But there is NO proven, or even suggested relationship between the two at all. Sounds like some sort of urban medical myth to me.
Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on February 7, 2008 at 1:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks, SCdeacinNYC:
I am familiar with whose susceptible to sickle cell and why. My thoughts exactly about the link b/t sickle cell and HIV/AIDS. I just wanted confirmation.
I like to research or at least consult "someone in the know" before I dismiss things as untrue.
Thanks again.
Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on February 7, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
PalmettoMan,
Sleep tight!
Posted by jui_ceet on February 7, 2008 at 1:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We discussed this topic in my biology class last semester as to why african american have the highest rate of AIDS/HIV, and african american women numbers are higher than men. Lets be real with each other, black men are living this "DL" life, and bringing this disease back to their spouse without the spouse having knowledge of his activities. Besides the african american man being on the "DL", african americans believe that it'll never happen to them and don't protect themselves during intercourse or sharing needles.
We don't go down and get tested with our partners before having sex, not saying that other ethnicities always do get tested, but we go off of what our partner says without checking up on it. I believe it's sad that people as a whole, not just african americans, don't protect themselves and think logically when it comes to having sex. I also feel that our african american men living this "DL" life need to inform their partners and let them choose if they want to put their lives in that situation or tell them upfront that they're bi-sexual.
I choose life, what about you???
Posted by CADguy on February 7, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
...
Being able to afford medical care is a key factor in the rise of HIV infection and AIDS among blacks, she said. "Everything plays into this. It's not just a simple answer. I really believe that access to health care has more to do with it than anything else," Scott said.
Laughable
As few have stated, it is behavorial. Blacks are not more likely to gets HIV/AIDS because they are black.
Posted by yeahright on February 7, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
As in past articles where P&C claimed blacks are more likely to be expelled from school, receive longer prison sentences, and now contract aids, I don't believe skin pigment is nearly as relevant as socioeconomic factors. It's easier to sell newspapers when you differentiate by race rather than social status.
Posted by Hey_U_Guys on February 7, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
CAD: You didn't know that the disease specifically targets blacks? Blacks are the only ones having promiscuous, unprotected sex. They are the only race that uses syringes to shoot up. They are the only race that applies for and receives welfare, WIC, Medicaid, and EBT. The only ones that live in poverty stricken, gang populated areas. Everything else is affiliated to the blacks. Why not this, too? Some people in this forum probably believe what I've just said. That's sad.
Sickness effects everyone. Whether it be the flu, chlamydia, HIV/AIDS, or the common cold. You try to prevent yourselves from getiing the flu every season. WHY??? Why protect against the flu but not AIDS/HIV???
Thank goodness for Gardasil. HPV can turn into a very dangerous virus. Causing cancer, herpes, warts, etc... They are testing Gardasil on men now, as well.
For more info on HPV, visit this site: http://www.cdc.gov/std/HPV/STDFact-HPV.h...
Maybe soon, scientists will be on the verge of discovering a way to vaccinate against HIV.
Posted by Hey_U_Guys on February 7, 2008 at 2:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I took 6 years of french. Oh la la.
Hypocrisy is the homage which vice renders to virtue
Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on February 7, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
PalmettoMan:
Oh, so you can "see right through me?" Comical, if you have found anything I said irrelevant, it seems like you-being so "intelligent"- would simply ignore me as I will ignore you from this statement forward.
My family lives in Europe so thanks for giving me the opportunity to practice the language(s). Back at you in my language: die Heuchlerei ist ein Geschenk des Lasters an die Tugend.
Glad to know that I am so relevant to you that you feel the need to CONTINUE to engage me. I am done with you;... in parting, va te faire foutre.
Tchuss!
Posted by Hey_U_Guys on February 7, 2008 at 2:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Back to both of you in MY language:
偽善は、不徳が徳に表する敬意である
That's japanese, in case you were wondering.
Posted by Test2007 on February 7, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Lets all bow to archdude's all knowing presence.
I swear I haven't used this word in a while but for you archdude, I will bring it back.
No one likes a know-it-all. We shouldn't take SCs stance b/c he or she isn't a virologist or microbiologist, but you are I guess?
good grief
Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on February 7, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
HYG:
Lived in Okinawa for 4 years; never learned Kanji.
Arch:
I find SCdeac to be the so knowledgeable, I will not attempt to research the issue for myself as I stated I would earlier. Most importantly, I still believe the world is flat. I am not that smart and certainly no where quite as intelligent as you. Thanks for your input.
Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on February 7, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Test,
After I sent my message I thought maybe it was uncalled for. But, thanks for confirming that the message to me was an attempt to be demeaning.
Posted by SCdeacinNYC on February 7, 2008 at 3:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It's not MY opinion, but the opinion and scientific research of those resarchers, doctors, immunologists and other that have been studying this virus since its "discovery." This isn't a matter of opinion like most things are on this board, this a matter of scientific studies and evidence. I said that there was NO such concrete evidence and no study that I had heard of or seen. I am not a virologist or microbiologist. But this does come from someone who is familiar with the study of HIV/AIDS I has have been intensely as it IS party of my work everyday! So, while I consistently have allowed you to get on your pseudo-intellectual, elitist soapbox with your knowledge (which I don't complain about...you are obviously a smart "dude") please allow me to impart my own knowledge of this, no matter how humble.
And your increased risk study is causationw without correlation, the "transfusions" are the link now the sickle cell virus itself. The West African region where the sick cell gene is prevalent and hence Malaria is prevalent, compared to the rest of Africa has very low prevalence percentages for HIV infection. Some even lower than the US! The reason I called it an urban health myth is because so many of these exist when we know really very little about the disease's orgins. We only know when the first case was "discovered" ...not anything prior to that. We "think" it originated in Africa, but no one can prove that. By your theory, there is no greater "link" between sickle cell and any disease that requires transfusions.
But let me put you in contact with our technical/medical advisers if you want this perspective from someone who did more than just ahem...looking up some medical journal articles.
Posted by SCdeacinNYC on February 7, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
yeesh lots of errors...sorry, grammar police i was ranting... :)
Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on February 7, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Speaking of comprehension, I was being SARCASTIC about finding SCdeac to be so knowledgeable...
Oh, and I "don't live around the area," but I am a stupid S.Carolinan, Charlestonian to be exact...and quite proud of it.
I'm moving on, Arch. Again thanks for the 'help!'
Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on February 7, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Arch:
Funny how you picked that statement apart...If you truly believe that I think the world is flat and you believe that I think I am NOT a smart person, then I will agree that you did not know I was being sarcastic. Sorry I couldn't "illustrate" my sarcasm any better.
Enjoyed the discussion. Thanks again, SCdeac.
I didn't mean in any way to directly say, or imply-in any way-that you are not knowledgeable.
Posted by Mayor on February 7, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Archdude wasted a lot of time today.
Posted by Hey_U_Guys on February 7, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
50: I lived in Yokosuka for 6 years. If I could afford the move, I would go back in a heartbeat.
Posted by Girleygirl on February 7, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
LMAO- Allwoman...I was thinking the same thing....god ole family brawl
Posted by Girleygirl on February 7, 2008 at 4:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I sat back and enjoyed reading everyone's post as well. Alot of folks talked about alot of things and I am happy it did not turn into a race story because the title is quite misleading.
Don't get him started (raregar) but then again I think he tries to stay away from you because he knows you will engage him into a conversation that he can't handle.....lol
Posted by justbeingme on February 7, 2008 at 4:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
WOW...I'm sorry, I'm just a sista who took the time to stop having unprotected, promiscuous sex to add my 2cents. I have not read all of the comments but did anyone mention that HIV/AIDS started as a White Gay Man's disease. Oh yeah, when the disease was "introduced" it was quaintly diagnosed as pneumonia. Gotta go....Trojans Rock !!!
Posted by stand828 on February 7, 2008 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
There are so many factors at play here and simple-minded ideas like many that have been posted above do not even attempt to suggest a real solution.
Aside from the fact that many African-Americans are less likely to have access to the health care and medications that help to prevent full-blown AIDS, until we are willing to address the social conditions that contribute to the higher HIV rate in that community, such as lower pay, higher unemployment rates, and more single parent families, we won't get anywhere.
Religious leaders with their abstinence programs and anti-sex ed in school demands do not help the problem. As in so many things, education is the answer. But what also contributes to the problem is that even though sex is all around us, so many parents are horrified to have open and frank discussions about it with their kids. Wake up, your kids are going to have sex. In fact, unless we start chopping off penises and sewing up vaginas, people are going to have sex, period. It's not going to stop, it's been going on for centuries, so repeat after me..."it is not going to stop." And if someone doesn't yet have a life partner, they will do it with who they can.
And so many are quick to judge others who may be different than them, and obviously relish doing so, that they also are no help. Those who are in heterosexual marriages and long term relationships, well good for you. But everyone is not so fortunate, including homosexuals who are denied the right to participate in the so-called sacred rites of matrimony.
Wouldn't allowing gay marriage help decrease the alleged practice of multiple sexual partners for homosexuals? But the same ones who spout forth those allegations are the same ones who adamantly oppose gay marriage. Can anyone produce credible evidence that indicate those in committed gay relationships have more sexual partners outside of their relationships than heterosexuals? And Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell are not credible sources. Oh, wait...Jerry's dead...good riddance.
We're not going to solve this crisis until we all put aside our differences, and work together. But I'm not holding my breath.
Posted by dustym59 on February 7, 2008 at 6:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
50 CENT WROTE: You wonder why SC is last in most that is excellent and progressive, re-read some of your posts to see how you contribute to the lack of progress-even as it relates to having intelligent discussion.
JUST CHECKED THE SCHEDULE...GREYHOUND BOUND FOR NEW YORK LEAVIN THIS HOUR...DONT LIKE S.C. GET THE H-LL OUT!
Posted by datadiva on February 7, 2008 at 6:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
dusty - I am getting tired of that 'pack up and leave attitude' if someone dares question why SC is so backa$$wards compared to other states.
It's thinking like that that is going to keep this state stale, boring and poor...
good luck to you all...
Posted by yeahright on February 7, 2008 at 6:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree that the "don't like it, leave" attitude is lame, but not any worse than claiming SC is "stale, boring, and poor."
Both are narrow minded and unproductive.
Posted by burton on February 7, 2008 at 6:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow, yesterday there was an article on AJ Green of Summerville and Robert Quinn of Ft. Dorchester signing National Letters of Intent to play college football. Here you have two young African males that were not in the newspaper for robbing, killing someone, or being arrested for selling drugs. Only 18 people posted comments on the article.
Today you have a story about African Americans and AIDs and you have 136 posts. Wow! As Bill Cosby would say: "Come on people!" How about try to recognize African Americans that are doing something positive with their lives. Not all of us are drug dealers and killers! Bottomline: DON'T GENERALIZE!
Posted by bankz on February 7, 2008 at 7:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I just gotta say South Carolina has a lot of changing to do, we are stuck in the past. Instead of finding a solution you idiots get on a
post and argue about race, and stupid sh** like black people are more promiscuous than any other race. I gotta tell ya i wish you guys would
Open your eyes and see this issue is affecting us all. The real reason this story was ran in today's paper is b/c it is the month
of February and it is the month you people do not like to recognize Black History Month and they are just letting black people
know they need to get tested. I do not think the paper intended this simple article to start a race riot.
Poster please grow up and act your age.
Posted by jammer007 on February 7, 2008 at 8:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Here we go again . Why is it when FACTS are brought forward it's always someone else's fault ??? What's this BS about reducing prison time for blacks ??? What makes blacks more important than any other race ??? I don't care what color you are . If you did the crime , do the time . Don't try the " It's because I'm black " line . It's time to retire that crutch . The white man isn't at fault for the aids issue . You want to look at numbers ??? Check out the black on black homicides compared to white on white . Blame the black man. Your killing yourselves.
Posted by datadiva on February 7, 2008 at 9:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
point taken, yeahright - you got me, the narrow mindedness of the state must be rubbing off on me...
j/k - we could go in circles w/ this forever - but I agree w/ bankz to an extent, this state is very stuck in the past and THAT is unproductive in my book. And as far as the issue affecting us all; bankz is right on that point too - we've all heard it said that the color of the nation will soon be a light brown; if AIDS/HIV is rampant among the black community and the former is true (that we're heading in the direction of becoming a light brown society) then it DOES in fact affect us all... just a matter of time.
Posted by yeahright on February 7, 2008 at 9:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm from Charleston. I'm well aware of the issues SC faces. And while there's a common sentiment, "leave if you don't like it", that seems ignorant, I can empathize. It is said that if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. People who chose to live here AND constantly belittle the state without truly attempting something productive fall into this category, so in reality the state as a whole truly would be better off if they'd just leave. I took a look at some of datadiva's past posts, and you seem pretty miserable here. Maybe you should consider moving to Utopia.
That being said, I stand by my earlier post, which was probably overlooked in the midst of an online school yard fight...I don't think skin color is as relevant to the AIDS epidemic described in this article as social and economic factors are. It sells more newspapers to use race as a commonality rather than socioeconomic status.
Posted by stand828 on February 7, 2008 at 9:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jammer007...
Don't think I am simply trying to misplace blame because I am black, I am not...I am white. But this has very little to do with blacks being a more important race. It has to do with the sins of our fathers and how we as a society are paying for them now.
If blacks had the same education and job opportunites whites have had we wouldn't have as much black on black crime. Hopefully time is fixing that, but we've got a long way to go.
And if you look at the facts, when you have a black man and a white man sentenced for the same crime, very often the black man will get a harsher or lengthier sentence than the black man. You can deny it all you want, but it is true.
Posted by rollo on February 7, 2008 at 9:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Obviously this is being caused by Global Warming, so it's Bushs' fault!
Posted by datadiva on February 7, 2008 at 10:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I AM miserable... as I've said before, as soon as my lease is up, I'm so out of here - I don't have the energy to be part of the solution here. In my opinion, if someone is set in their ways, no amount of open-mindedness on my end is going to change their thinking...
So, for me, it's a lost cause. I've enjoyed my time here for the most part, but this state is not for me. I need REAL public transportation, diversity, less animosity toward anything that is 'different' and a little less "ya'll" in my day :)
Respectfully,
Datadiva :)
Posted by yeahright on February 7, 2008 at 10:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Best of luck, diva.
Posted by My_50Cents_Worth on February 8, 2008 at 1:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Dustymy59:
Of everything I posted, that's the best you could find to b-tch about? You are so simple.
Yes, I said it and I mean/meant it. However I also said February 7, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
...," but I am a stupid S.Carolinan, Charlestonian to be exact...and quite proud of it..."
...And that was in direct response to someone's ATTEMPTED INSULT ON MY HOME STATE'S EDUCATION SYSTEM, SOUTH CAROLINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Either you have an issue with comprehension or you have selective comprehension. Read; open your mnid first and then your mouth.
Further, as long as I am a taxpaying, property owning citizen-a SOUTH CAROLINIAN-regardless to where I lay my head at night, I'll say what I please; you don't like it, go buy that bus ticket you're telling me about. Now, you have just made yourself and any future comments irrelevant to me.
MY ALL CAPS KEYS WORK ALSO! That was fun. :-)
"Buh-bye!"
Datadiva:
"Leave" is only a common statement when a person cannot argue a RELEVANT point.