Glance askance at baggy pantsBy David Slade (Contact)
The Post and Courier
Thursday, August 14, 2008
File/Staff A teen wears his pants low as he walks down King Street in November 2007. A trio of Charleston City Councilmen plans to consider a ban on low-riding pants, an issue that's spurred controversy in cities across the nation. From Flint, Mich. to Rivera Beach, Fla., cities have moved to prohibit saggy pants that show the wearer's underpants or skin. Bans also have been rejected, including statewide bans proposed in Louisiana and Virginia. The three Charleston councilmen said they want to take up the issue because of complaints from the people they represent. "I've been in neighborhood meetings, and talking with people in the street, who are just disgusted," said Councilman James Lewis. "You'll be in the mall having to walk behind these guys, having to look at their underwear, and it's just not appropriate." Councilman Wendell Gilliard said saggy pants are associated with gangs and drugs, and should not be tolerated. "What about that innocent child who grows up with a parent who wears saggy pants?" he said. "When your pants are down, your pride is down." Gilliard suggested that wearers of saggy pants should be forced to serve on work details, or pay a fine. "Sometimes, hard times call for extreme measure," he said. Last year, state Rep. Robert Brown, D-Hollywood, called for a ban on saggy pants throughout South Carolina but backed down in the face of opposition. "The ACLU and the NAACP — I didn't want to fight that battle at that time," Brown said. "I may still consider it, now that Jasper County has done it and Charleston is thinking about it." In June, Jasper County Council banned wearing pants more than 3 inches below the hips and exposing skin or intimate clothing. Gilliard said this isn't like the time in 2003 when he tried to ban sunbathers in bikinis from Marion Square. "That was different," he said. "That had nothing to do with drugs and crime." Lewis and Councilman Robert Mitchell said they planned to raise the issue when City Council meets Tuesday, and were surprised to see Gilliard on television this week talking about a proposed ordinance. "I saw this on television last night and said, 'What the devil is he doing'," Mitchell said. "Now, we've got the horse before the cart." None of the councilmen has seen an ordinance, and it's not clear that one has been drafted, though Lewis asked the city's legal team to prepare one. Mitchell said some young people have made their objections known to him. "They tell me this is how they dress and if people don't want to see it, they should close their eyes," he said. "You know how young people are." Gilliard said he first raised the issue of banning saggy pants three years ago, and didn't feel like he was jumping the gun by talking about a possible ordinance this week. He credited Lewis with reviving the issue. All three of the councilmen represent predominantly black peninsular neighborhoods. "It's not going to be just targeting young black men," Lewis said. "Lots of people have baggy pants." Reach David Slade at 937-5552 or dslade@postand courier.com. |
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Posted by Smart_Enough_2_Know_Better on August 14, 2008 at 1:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm just glad to see that the town council (and the apparently many concerned citizens supporting them) feel that they have taken care enough of all the major problems facing the city- crime, a poor education system, etc.- that they can now spend time and effort dealing with things as trivial and insignificant as how someone wears his pants.
While we're at it, can we also get rid of mullets? I find them much more offensive and degrading to the health of our society than baggy pants. Mullets definitely must go!
Posted by Cid95 on August 14, 2008 at 2:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Baggy pants look stupid and the people wearing them are obviously idiots who desire to remain at the bottom of the socio-economic scale.
Having said that, banning certain clothing types is silly. Get to the root cause, not the symptoms.
Posted by JW29410 on August 14, 2008 at 3:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Cid95, you are soooooooooooo right. I see one of these knuckledraggers and I think of a baby with a full diaper that is on the verge of falling off.
Posted by ForPnC on August 14, 2008 at 3:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Seeing people looking "cool" is always a good laugh. They're forever pulling their pants up or have their hands in their pockets holding them up.
Two steps... hike em. One step... hike em.
It's probably the most exercise they get because they sure aren't going to run very far.
Posted by Spunky_Monkey on August 14, 2008 at 3:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Two thoughts on this:
THAT'S WHAT BELTS ARE FOR!!!!
and
BUY THE PANTS IN THE CORRECT SIZE!!!!
The saggy bottom boys all look like they used their pants as diapers for a week and just haven't gotten around to dumpin' their loads yet!!!!
And no, I am no one's mother or grandmother - I'm the same age as most bottom droppers and even I DON'T LIKE THE LOOK! It's ridiculous!!!!!!!
Posted by lemonhead on August 14, 2008 at 5:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
they have belts,they wear them,they just make the pants go below the hips and then buckle belt from there,my son wears his pants like that,i think itsss disqusting and very demeaning told him if he wore them around me i would de pants him no matter where we are
Posted by eatmorecollards on August 14, 2008 at 6:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Could this guy be thier hero?
www.opry.com/_Resource/Content/QandA/200...
Posted by grannyofsix on August 14, 2008 at 6:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Eatmore I wonder if i could put that picture in my office with the caption "would you hire him"
Posted by hotrod2007 on August 14, 2008 at 6:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Letter from a college student:
The other day, a friend of mine visited me in the lobby of my dorm just to chat while her laundry was drying. As we were chatting, two young freshmen came by. One of the boys wanted to 'talk' to my friend (as in date). She asked him how old they were, and both of the boys replied 18. My friend and I both laughed hysterically because we are both 22 years old. After my friend left, the young men were still hanging around and one wanted to know how he could gain her interest.
The first thing I told him to do was to pull up his pants! He asked why, then said he liked saggin' his pants. I told him to come over to my computer and spell the word saggin'. Then I told him to write the word saggin' backwards.
S-A-G-G-I-N
N-I-G- G-A-S
I told him the origin of that look was from centuries ago. It was the intent of slave owners to demoralize the field workers by forbidding them to wear a belt as they worked in the fields or at any other rigorous job. In addition, men in prison wore their pants low when they were 'spoken for'. The other reason their pants looked like that was they were not allowed to have belts because prisoners were likely to try to commit suicide. And, saggin' pants prevents you fro m running.
We as young Black people have to be the ones to effect change. We are dying. The media has made a mockery of the Black American. Even our brothers and sisters from Africa don't take us seriously. Something as simple as pulling up your pants and standing with your head held high could make the biggest difference in the world's perception of us. It is time to do right by ourselves. We need to love and embrace each other. No one is going to do that for us.
It all comes down to perception. What people perceive is what is reality to them. We have to change not only the media's perception of us, but we need to change our perception of ourselves. Reme mber all eyes are on you Black Man. All eyes are on you Black Woman. All eyes are on your Black Child. People point the finger at us and expect us to engage in negative and illegal activities, to manifest loud, boisterous behaviour, to spend our hard earned money in their stores, buying goods we don't need, or really want. We have allowed not only the media, but the government and the world to portray us as a 'sub-culture.' They have stripped our culture down to the point where the image of Black people is perpetuated as rappers, athletes, drug users, and consumers of junk food, expensive tennis shoes, expensive cars, expensive TVs, cell phones and not investing in homes for our families.
We are so much more!!!!!!!
Posted by hotrod2007 on August 14, 2008 at 6:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Part 2.
To all our Black Men:
Its time to stand up. There are billions of Black Women who want to do nothing more than worship the ground that you walk on. We are so in love with your potential. We want to have your back, we want to love, support and cherish every ounce of your being. But with that you have to show that you are willing to be the head of our households. You have to prove yourselves worthy of our submission. We need you to be hard working...Not a hustler. We need you to seek higher education, to seek spirituality. We need you to stand! And trust us, we will have your back. We know that it gets hard. We know you get weary. Trust and believe that there is nothing that a Black Man and a Black Woman can't handle with GOD on their side.
To all our Black Women:
It is also time for you to stand up. It is time for you to stop using our bodies as our primary form of communication. It is time to be that virtuous woman that Proverbs spoke of. You cannot sit by the wayside while our men are dying by the masses. You are the epitome of Black Love. It starts within you. You need to speak with conviction to let not only our Black Men know, but the world, that you are the Mothers of this world. You are so powerful. You a re so beautiful. You need to love and embrace every blessing God has given us physically, emotionally and spiritually.
For all our Black Children:
We need to love them. We need to teach them. We need to stand up for them. We need to protect them. We need to show them that there are no 'get rich quick' schemes. We need to tell them that they WILL die trying if they submi t to a life of crime and deceit. We need to teach our children that no one will love them the way we can. And being a basketball player, a rapper, or a drug dealer is not reality. It's not realistic and only a small percentage of people ever make it as a rapper or professional athlete. We need to teach our children that we can be more than rappers and athletes. We can be the owners of these sports teams. We can be the CEO's of OUR fortune 500 companies. We need to believe in literacy. I am almost certain if we were to look back to the 1930's and 40's, the literacy rates for Black American Children are probably still the same.
Posted by moonpie on August 14, 2008 at 6:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"They tell me this is how they dress and if people don't want to see it, they should close their eyes," he said. "You know how young people are."
UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS THE MENTALITY OF MOST. I AGREE PULL YOUR PANTS UP. NOTHING MAKES ME LAUGH MORE THAN SEING SOME DUMB ASS WITH HIS PANTS HANGING DOWN AND ONE HAND HOLDING THEM UP WHILE HE'S TRYING TO RUN! I AGREE IF YOUR DRESSING LIKE THIS THEN YOUR FUTURE IS PRETTY MUCH MADE UP FOR YOU BECAUSE YOUR NOT GETTING A JOB. YOU'LL END UP IN JAIL OR DEAD BY THE AGE OF 25. SHOULDN'T PARENTS BE HANDELING THIS? OF COURSE THAT IS ASSUMING ISN'T IT?
Posted by DoaMM on August 14, 2008 at 7 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Tell you what, leave 'em down. Just like Hotrod2007 stated:
"And, saggin' pants prevents you from running."
Should be easier to catch the thugs, right? Plus, it makes you look like you pooped in your britches.
Butt hey! Free Country, right? You wanna look "retarded", go ahead...
(oops...)
Posted by Tammie on August 14, 2008 at 7:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ahhh..this issue again. Personally, I think the idea of wearing my pants halfway across my tookus is disgusting. Hell, for anyone, I think it's disgusting. My great-aunt would clothespin my cousin's pants to his shirt, he thought it was embarrassing. She said "Not as embarrassing as everyone knowing whether or not you had on the same boxers from yesterday!"
But I digress.
Good morning everyone.
Posted by Tulane75 on August 14, 2008 at 7:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This kind of law lends itself to "sport" litigation. The city will probably need to hire extra lawyers, just to handle the legitimate challenges either to the law itself or the substantive charges that will undoubtedly come about.
Will it be a crime for boxers to show even if the pants are not baggy? Will it be a crime if you forget to zip up, which occasionally happens?
I am not joking. Are you going to pass a law like Easton, MD that prohibits men from taking their shirts off in public? I would like to take a poll of police officers to see how they would feel about making arrests for dress code violations and then actually having to stand up in court and prosecute.
This is not a smart battle for the council people to choose!
Posted by theronce on August 14, 2008 at 7:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If this is all that they have to worry about, then they could do us a real service by adjourning for a few months or so. While I do not like the sagging pants, the government has no business in this, as with many things actually. Anyway, I suspect that most who wear this style, do so to make a statement. I notice and oblige and save my time, as my dad always said that I am wasting my time talking to a fool. So, I waste little time with them other than a "Good morning".
Posted by lou9 on August 14, 2008 at 7:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Fighting sag busting and giving fans to poor blacks, that's Gilliard's legacy on city council. And now he's going to Columbia. Our Legislature is being dumbed down even more just like public education. Just remeber Charleston, you elected him.
Posted by ms_lady2u on August 14, 2008 at 7:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If there going to banned saggy pants, how about the females that wear the daisy dukes, with their butt- cheeks hanging out & the half shirts with their stomach baring? I agree we have far more serious issues to focus on,but if this is into consideration,all is one!!
Posted by luckylady on August 14, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It's just clothing worn too big and too low. There have been clothing issues since the beginning of time. There are much more important issues to address then how one wears their clothes. It looks stupid but it is their right to wear what they want. We will be supporting a lot of these clowns soon since nobody would hire someone looking like that.
Posted by Tammie on August 14, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ms_Lady...it's worse if women come out the house looking like that with a muffin top. Yuck.
Posted by DoaMM on August 14, 2008 at 7:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"...muffin top."
Ha! Tammie...
Posted by ms_lady2u on August 14, 2008 at 7:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Tammie,lmao....you know right?
Posted by oldglory on August 14, 2008 at 8 a.m. (Suggest removal)
How 'bout lack of education is addressed instead of baggy pants? How 'bout a legislating putting parents/custodial parents in jail if they don't assure that their children are in school? There are lots of more important things aside from baggy pants, for pete's sake!
hotrod, thank you for your informative/intelligent comments! Way to go! I do believe you got it all right :) Now, I'd like to see/meet your parent/parents/whomever set you in the right direction in life.
As so often, in agreement with CB's comments. I'm sitting here wondering why these same 'men in power' haven't banned women's necklines? Can you hear my 'smirk'?
'The three Charleston councilmen said they want to take up the issue because of complaints from the people they represent.' That quote says/shows it all--these men are politicians from the git-go. We know politicians = good ol' boys + thieves in most cases. Right?
Anyway peeps, it took our minds off gas prices :)
Posted by SomeTruthPlease on August 14, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Co-sJT1G...
I found this video...love it. Not really my style of music, but the message, and how it's being delivered, is "spot on". I myself am tired of seing the low-slung jeans...can't tell where a guy's *ss is anymore. How do you get your wallet out of your back pocket when it's behind your knee? Can't figure out the trend, anyway...I've seen guys pants fall down to their ankles trying to play basketball, and I couldn't help but laugh.
Posted by ms_lady2u on August 14, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It damn sure did....Now back to the regular scheduled program! Yesterday i saw the prices as low as $3.45 a gallon at a station near 'Park Circle'
Posted by DoaMM on August 14, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm gonna break out my whole set of parachute pants this weekend! Nothin' saggy about those and so many zippers without pockets, it's pathetic. Bring back those 80's, folks! That was style...
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good morning everyone
I too use to think this fad would pass, but it has been going on now for over 18 years starting with that MC Hammer guy. I know my son use to wear them. Not as baggie but close.
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I for one don’t like them, but the more we talk about it the more determined they will be to wear them. My main problem is not that they keep pulling them up when the walk or they keep their hands in their pockets to keep them up
.
IT IS WHEN THEY WALK WITH THEIR HANDS ON THEIR CROUCH that is insulting to me, and I feel that is what their intentions are. I hate when they come in her like that hands on their crouch saying “You got any jobs” if I had 50 I would not give them one the same with the girls coming in shorts up to their who has and their shirts so low they pop out at you, I am not old fashion I wore hot pants in my twenties and the micro mini as well I wore hip huggers and the gogo boots.
But this is going too far
Posted by skeeter on August 14, 2008 at 8:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
They should also make old men who wear their pants halfway up their chests lower them to a respectable level!
Posted by mkris on August 14, 2008 at 8:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Of course its "free speach" protected by the 1st amendment! It is also "free speach" to shout loudly by wearing pants around thier ankles: "I am an idiot".
DOES THIS MEAN THAT ALL THE REAL PROBLEMS IN CHARLESTON HAVE BEEN SOLVED?
Posted by jeff61 on August 14, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What makes you think this group of gangsters has the need for a wallet? It is probably empty or belongs to someone else.
Posted by a_set_love on August 14, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh my God, whats comming next!
All women must wear bras. Women can't wear really short shirts. All women must wear panties, sorry Brittney Spears.
Posted by DoaMM on August 14, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
skeeter, those guys are trying to prevent/hide "dunlap" disease. You know, where their belly dun lapped over their belt? Or it might be some some sort of man-boob bra...you know, to hold them up and in...
Posted by DoaMM on August 14, 2008 at 8:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
cypress, it's gotta be baby blue, though...or white. Yeah, white will work nicely...
Posted by keepinitreal on August 14, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Way to go HOTROD. May God continue to shine on you and yours. Kiss your parents for me.
Posted by Lovely_One on August 14, 2008 at 8:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hotrod, I got that email a few weeks ago and read it to my children. Although they don't wear their pants low and if my husband or I see them pull their pants up once we make them get a belt. I let them know how silly it looks for someone to be walking around with their butts hanging out.
I agree that they need to worry about more important and pressing issues than this. As it has already been said, are they going to do anything about the Daisy Dukes or Midriff Shirts that these females wear? What about the bikinis that many will wear into the grocery stores after they have been at the beach all day? They are walking a fine line and trying to take our freedoms one law at a time.
Posted by pelicanwoman on August 14, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What I am hearing is that some folks look at it as disrespectful. I put it in the same category as women with tight low jeans showing their butt crack when they sit. If I wanted to see that, I would entered the medical profession. But more than those things, my pet peeve is men in greasy dirty sweaty ball caps who won't take them off in a nice resturant. Men used to remove their hats indoors as a sign of respect. I've even seen guys wear them to weddings and funerals until someone in the church asked them to remove them.
There will always be some who dress in a manner which they and their friends think is "cool" but that others know only makes them look stupid and or sleezy. Most will grow out of it. When the government steps is usually when the manner of dress violates what local citizens consider indecent.
Posted by katsplay on August 14, 2008 at 8:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't have a strong opinion one way or another that this is something that city council should or should not take up. I am not a fan of the saggy pants or other revealing clothes but I do respect the right of individuals to choose what to wear.
If this moves forward, I only ask that it be enforced regardless of gender. I have personally witnessed a North Charleston Coliseum usher instruct a young man to pull up his pants to cover his boxers and yet not a word is said to the young ladies attending the same event to pull their pants up/shirts down so that the men will stop falling over themselves--and leaning forward so far in their seats they almost fall out--to look at the thong of some girl half their age.
Posted by lucy_fan on August 14, 2008 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good Morining, Everyone!!! Hello, Cypress_Jones. Please, Please, PLEASE tell me you are joking about the members only jacket?? If you still have one, please, burn it!!!!
And I think it is ridiculous to 'ban' clothing. The whole 'saggy bottom' thing looks so damn stupid- a bunch of penguins waddling around. But, ban it?? No, I dont' think so. There are more important issues to deal with.
Posted by feb251939 on August 14, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If these morons want to show off their underwear, they should wear them on the outside of their pants.
Posted by a_set_love on August 14, 2008 at 8:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by a_set_love on August 14, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh my God, whats comming next!
All women must wear bras. Women can't wear really short "shirts". All women must wear panties, sorry Brittney Spears.
..... sorry, meant to say short skirts, not short shirts.
Posted by Marianne0558 on August 14, 2008 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Haven't read anyone's comments but, here is my 2 cents:
If they are going to ban baggy pants because they don't want to see men's underwear, then they need to also ban hooker clothes for the women. I don't want to see someone's thong straps hanging out of their 2-sizes-too-small pants either. I also don't want to look at some woman's gut because she thinks she wears a size small shirt but she really is a size XL. It's disgusting. If your gut hangs over your pants, your pants are too small. I also would like to make a motion to ban the BRATZ dolls because they give little girls the idea that it's okay to wear clown make up and hooker clothes.
Posted by lucy_fan on August 14, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Marianne- You are so right!!! I can't stand seeing a woman walking around with a tiny top and puffy gut hanging out! Or a big beergutted man whose shirt is too short to cover his ugly, hairy belly!
Posted by drp7773 on August 14, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Like we have said before on this topic, walking in the mall I have seen a pair of these pants fall completely down and this kid had no underwear on.When that happened a dad and it looked like his 7 or 8 year old daughter was walking by and seen it all. Would you like this if you had your daughter there, your telling me it would have been ok, that you would have been fine with it because hell they are just expressing a fad. even if he had underwear on would that have made it better if your daughter or wife was there. This is not like long hair or rock and roll music and it is not that the pants are baggy and ya'll know it is baring ones ass in public just because you don't have the sense god gave a goose doesn't mean our daughters, wife's, sisters, girlfriends need to be subjected to your stupidity and nakedness.
Posted by Marianne0558 on August 14, 2008 at 8:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
drp,
If my daughter were to see someone's pants fall off because they were too baggy and they didn't have underwear on, I would tell her to point and laugh. "Honey! Look at this idiot! You can see his tiny willy!!!"
Posted by ITHAPPENS on August 14, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't see anyone complaining about the women who show their thongs and butterfly tatto when they bend over or sit down!
Posted by Marianne0558 on August 14, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ITHAPPENS,
I just complained about that at 8:40 :)
Posted by SCwahoo on August 14, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The problem with the sagging pants should not be a question of whether or not people like them or dislike them. It is a question of is telling people how to wear their clothes constitutional. I have seen court cases where the supreme courts upheld students rights to wear nazi buttons and pro marijuana paraphernalia. Are sagging pants any different? One has to realize that we have a right to privacy. Another Government enforced clothes regulations. They made people wear clothes that they saw fit. It was the 3rd Reich. Just think about how big you want the government to be.
Posted by Tammie on August 14, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I've always lived by the motto "Just because it comes in your size, that doesnt mean you can wear it!" Fitted shirts come in my shirt but I have sense enough not to scare people because when I sit down, the buttons will act as projectiles and level a small aircraft. Nor do I wear "skinny" jeans. I was born bigger than a size 2.
Cypress Hill...I'll see your Member's only jacket and raise you a Swatch watch and a pair of penny loafers.
Posted by DoaMM on August 14, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Yeah, but it's a "lifestyle", not just a fad. Just like talking ghetto is a "lifestyle", I guess slingin' rock and gang bangin' is a "lifestyle" choice, too...
If that's the case, then I'm for "Doing Kermit"...(Family Guy)
(I'm just putting it out there before anyone tries to defend the "lifestyle" excuse)
Posted by ysillyme on August 14, 2008 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Marianne~
Now what should be banned are the older, heavier women wearing shorts or pants that reveal thong straps which should they ever break would serve as a slingshot propelling a depends at the speed of light at anyone behind, (pardon the pun) them!
Posted by ptmama73 on August 14, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Penny loafers...don't you mean Seabago's?
Posted by Tammie on August 14, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Cypress..I got nothin. Lol
Hold on, I'll see your Vans and raise you a Coca cola shirt!
Posted by DoaMM on August 14, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Seabago's?
Posted by DoaMM on August 14, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree, cypress...easy to spot, hard to hide...
Posted by Tammie on August 14, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Lmao @ Ptmama...you know you got your pair from Kinney's shoes in Citadel Mall girl!!!
I'll see your Sebago's and raise you a pair of BUSTER BROWNS FROM CONDONS WHEN THEY WERE IN ASHLEY PLAZA MALL. Ha!
Posted by MsPiggy on August 14, 2008 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
All of yall are pretty much right on point with everything.
I just think there needs to be some consistency here. If we ban saggin' pants, then we have to ban all the other disgusting and innappropriate clothing out there.
And if we do that, then our government would be putting way to many restrictions of us, in my opinion.
We wouldn't be any different from any other communist nation in the world. In Russia, women wear short skirts and high heels everyday. That's just how their culture is. And it isn't strange for a young teenage man to have a completely nude poster of a celebrity up in his room. Crazy!
Muffin Tops!! haha! I don't understand why women can't just get the size 9!!!! I mean, its just a number. Why try to squeeze into a 7? You know it aint gonna fit. That reminds me of the scene from White Chicks...
I'm kinda young, so maybe many of you all wouldn't know this show unless you have children my age, but anyway: There used to be a show on Nickeloden called All That. It was basically SNL for kids. There was a sketch on there played by Kennan Thompson, and the character was called Baggin' Saggin' Barry. He had these HUGE saggin' pants, and his signature stunt was pulling random large objects out of his pants. TVs, Chairs, Computer, Slushie Machine, you name it! And there was also his girlfriend, Baggin' Saggin' Mary.
Those were the good shows..
Posted by RTC on August 14, 2008 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes, they look ridiculous and untidy, but as long as you can't see their buttcrack it's not indecent exposure.
They can't just ban this, because they would have to get rid of the skirts and shorts with the "up to the cheeks" look.
Don't forget the grotesque spandex worn by obese woman where their abdomens hang down to their knees. Now that's a real vile producer, as is those that show camel toe.
Floppy, braless breasts are not attractive either, or those walking around showing headlights.
There are getting to be too many laws telling people what they can or cannot do, when they need to focus on the areas where the real problems lie.
Posted by Tammie on August 14, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Cypress Hill, you got me..lmao
Hold on...I see your Frankie says relax shirt...
AND RAISE YOU A MAX HEADROOM (sp)SHIRT WITH THE GLASSES TO MATCH WITH A PAIR OF TWO TONE JEANS!
Posted by DoaMM on August 14, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Cypress & Tammie:
I would love to see you two in all the garb you have mentioned so far. Too funny...
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
i got ya all beat I raise you with just my platform shoes and go go boots and sorts(hot pant attached to a skirt)
Posted by Marianne0558 on August 14, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Yeah and I don't want to see any FUPAs either!!!
(Fat Upper P-word Area)...
You know the morbidly obese women with their crotches down to their knees? Get a mumu. No one wants to see that.
Eww, I think I threw up a little in my mouth.
Posted by greyrider on August 14, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wait a minute. I just read the article and the first comment. Baggy saggy pants are stupid and somewhat offensive, but mullets, were classic and should be revered as a part of our cultural history.
Posted by groover on August 14, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
F that. If people want to where baggy pants so be it. Just what we want more government to tell us how to where our clothes. I agree, people or kids that where that kind of clothing look clownish, but it is their choice. That will never pass and if does we are on our way to communism.
Posted by Tammie on August 14, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
DoaMM, I'd look a hot azz mess. When that style of dress came out, I was in elementary school. I had the hot pink version of the MJ Thriller jacket, that was before he was trying to look like Elizabeth Taylor on meth. I had a few Coca Cola shirts, swatch watches, etc. That was when fashion was kewl.
This phuckery "ri'chere", I can't get jiggy with this shyt!
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh wait I think mullet are sooooooooooooooo stupid.
Posted by jeff61 on August 14, 2008 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree with the statement it is a life style and not a fad so I stand corrected. With that said people who choose wear thier pants in that manner are advertising what they represent which is not every encouraging. Chances are these fine people will be gracing the pages of the P&C soon enough, if some have not already.
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
RTC sometimes headlights cant be helped. you know cold rooms scary people wearing mullets fat old ladies in spandex all that can cause some to get scared and the headlights just come on by magic LOL
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
oh and how about the tight jeans or shorts on over weight women that show the dreaded camel toe EWWWWWW
Posted by Tammie on August 14, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Lmao @ Granny!!
That aint a camel toe on an old woman, it's a hairy moose knuckle.
Posted by ptmama73 on August 14, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm so glad Charleston County has nothing better to do. I don't like the saggin' pants look either (male or female) but have you seen how some of those council members dress? Yep, fashion plates one and all - and they want to dictate how others should dress!
Tammie is making a great point with all our "80's" clothing. We out grew the Jordache, Sebago, Buster Browns, and Members Only jackets - and it only took about 15 years or so... Eventually, the saggy pants will fade away.
(By the way, Tammie, I'll raise you a pair of stirrup pants, any neon colored article of clothing, and jelly bracelets)
Posted by RTC on August 14, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
granny, those little round bandaids work pretty well for the headlights. My mom used to make me wear them when I wore halter tops or any other garment that you didn't wear a bra with.
Posted by RTC on August 14, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Tammie, go in the corner. I just got morning sickness, and I'm not even pregnant.
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
When I was a young girl I liked tight jeans and tee shirts on the guys thought that was so sexy. And I did like to see what the were packing and I don’t mean fire arms either
Posted by Tammie on August 14, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Lmao @ Ptmama!! There are some people that still wear stirrups with slouch socks!!! Talk about "Everything old is new again..." These new "fads", we wore those back in the day!! The mohawk, colorful jewelry to go with our outfits, etc. My godsister swore she was doing something when she started with the jewelry matching her clothes...'til I showed her a pic of her mom. Lol
And I'll see your jelly bracelets for a slap bracelet, a pair of jelly shoes, an Ocean Pacific shirt, and a can of Rave. Rave is the reason for global warming....
Posted by Tammie on August 14, 2008 at 9:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Lmao @ RTC...me sawry, you knowz I lubs ya!
Posted by ysillyme on August 14, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
With all the real problems our govt. has failed to address, the next generation will look back at saggy baggys and gleefully proclaim, "like sands through the hourglass, those folks would shyt if they could see what we are wearing now"!
Posted by forget on August 14, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ok guys, I see your Swatch watch, penny loafers, skinny tie, etc. and raise you all a pair of leg warmers and curly perm!
Posted by Marianne0558 on August 14, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Speedos... Definitely should be banned.
FUPAS.... need to be surgically removed. I vomit every time I see one.
Thongs are meant to be worn to reduce panty lines, NOT show the world your lack of panties.
Doo-rags, or whatever they are, need to be banned as well. Makes people look like they are wearing condoms on their heads.
Wearing socks with sandals needs to be banned unless you live in Asia, where that is normal.
And finally.... drum roll please....
Those stupid shorts with "CUTIE" or "PRINCESS" written on the arse need to be banned. Hey, why not just put a target on the butt of the shorts, I'm sure more pervs will look. I wouldn't buy my daughter those-they scream "LOOK AT MY ARSE!" It's a perv's dream.
Posted by agoodsongmaker on August 14, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I had the opportunity to overhear an older African American professional utter his disgust at several younger African American's who were wearing their pants in an undecent fashion and he asked out loud why these young people dress like this and I responded, '...they dress this way for the same reasons dogs bite...' He asked me what that meant and I said, Dogs bite because they haven't been trained NOT to...the Absence of Values that have NOT been instilled in these young people leave a younger generation vulnerable to society's effort to demean and de-value their true worth. As fas as City Council having better things to do, I disagree. We as a community have a right, indeed, a responsibility to declare what is right and decent and acceptable to us as a community. We now hear expressions which could never have been spoken on radio or tv such as the expression 'this sucks' which is now acceptable, even though it still is a perverted expression with sexual connotations. Right is now wrong and up is now down and Justice is throw down in the streets. Time's slippin' and the child you love with the word NO will be an adult that will honor their child in similar fashion. Killing unborn babies, condoning as decent, unnatural same sexual conduct and taking prayer from children in school is the continuing fingerprint of the theft of values that leave society unprotected from perversion, selfish cruelty and total disregard for others. The question isn't how low can we go...it's how fast are we gonna get there...Society must cleanse itself or suffer the demise of degenerative moral values...seems like a repeat of former Great Societies...
Posted by KidYendor on August 14, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I do support the ordinance so I don't have to see men's boxers and rumps. The ordinance should not apply to women though since I do like to see their thongs, panties, and derriers as long as the women are shapely, pretty, and not fat. If that is sexist so be it. If you are offended, who cares. Fat women busting sags must be ticketed or jailed.
Posted by DoaMM on August 14, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Tammie, saw a kid the other day whose parents gave him a mohawk. Kid couldn't have been 2 years old yet.
...and the parents fit the bill with dad having a mullet and mom styling the beehive. Wish I woulda had my camera.
Posted by GymRat8545 on August 14, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree that the "saggin" is awful, but to concentrate on this when we have illeagals breaking the laws every day and our justice system is turning a blind eye is even more distressing. Why is our goverment worried about this when there are other things that need addressed? Are we going to ban Goth kids as well next? As far as I am concerned this is a PARENT issue. If these kids want to label them selfs IDIOT let them, It is a free nation, CORRECT?? It seems to me that our goverment is moving more to Dictatorships then what we are founded on, Democracy!
Let freedom Ring!!
Posted by Tammie on August 14, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
DoaMM...a mullet AND a beehive!!! Dayum, they were some fossils, huh??
Marianne, I can't stand to see those pants with the "Hottie" or "Princess" crap on the tookus either. If you are so hot or such a dang princess, why advertise on your sit down parts? Hell, why advertise at all? Your attitude and the way you carry yourself should exude it!
Posted by a_set_love on August 14, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by ITHAPPENS on August 14, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't see anyone complaining about the women who show their thongs and butterfly tatto when they bend over or sit down
"THATS ONE OF MY FAVORIATE PASTTIMES, WATCHING THEIR THONGS AND BUTTERFLY TATOOS."
Posted by charlestonnative1963 on August 14, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I am not real crazy about saggin pants...dumb if you ask me...but can you regulate tacky? What if a politician decides that my red shirt (example) were obscene? too much government regulations.
Posted by ptmama73 on August 14, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good grief Tammie - you are starting to make me feel old.
Rave rules! Especially when we had the mile high bangs that you could bounce quarters off of. It also helped to really set that bright blue eye shadow for all day wear.
Granny, hot pants? Did Grandpa have a powder blue leisure suit?
Posted by iceman1978 on August 14, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Why would someone want to dress like this? Don't they realize that they look like they come from the slum when they walk around with their underwear showing? Isn't that considered indecent exposure?
On one hand I don't believe it's the place for the State to get into things such as this, but I would say that this is testament to the lack of responsibility on the part of the parents in that they should not let their kids dress like this.
For that reason I will fully support this proposal and will contact each member of city council and encourage them to do the same.
Posted by suec on August 14, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
We are worried about illegals when there are saggy pants thugs who will shoot you for $10 or just for the fun of it?
I could care less what they wear. In fact, it helps me know who to avoid. They may as well wear a sign that says "I will pop a cap in you just becuase I can and becuase it impresses my brothas. Now hand over your money."
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You know RTC, even with a bra sometimes the headlights come through. And as someone who never goes with out one, (for fear of rug burn on the boobs when they drag the floor alas gravity takes hold *sigh) I know it can get very cold here at the office so I wear a sweater to hide my assets.
Posted by RTC on August 14, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Tammie, that just a warning, okay. Just do the visual, and you might get a little sick yourself.
My hubby and I saw a guy with his lady friend coming out of the store the other day. He was grabbing at the front of his baggy jeans so frantically that I almost burst out laughing. I asked my hubby what that guy was doing, and he said that he was probably checking to see if it was still there, because it was probably so small he couldn't find it.
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ptmama73 umm a yes he did have one and he wore a black silk shirt with it and yes the whit shoes too DISCO BABY YEAHHHH !!!!
Posted by MooMoo on August 14, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Great comments - but can someone please enlighten me on 'camel toe?'
And as for jeans - another goofy took is 'ice cream cone butt' - that's where women's jeans are too high and make the butt look bigger and more rounded.
FYI, for those ladies among us who want to look our best at any age, (especially those of us in the over-40 set) a great must read is "How not to look old" by Charla Krupp. A great book that teaches women how to dress agelessly yet age appropriate!
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I also wore the long skirts, peasant blouse, and head band on my forhead with flowers, in the 60s as well. Had lots of shoes just didnt wear them.
Posted by Marianne0558 on August 14, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
MOM JEANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *gasp!*
Posted by DoaMM on August 14, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
MooMoo...a camel toe is developed from a woman wearing pants or shorts too tight up front and the seam of the pants splits the...ummm...you know.
Visually, it gives the appearance of a camel's split foot...hence, camel toe.
Posted by Tammie on August 14, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ptmama, I aint a spring chicken either. More like a fall hummingbird. But I digress.
RTC, I come in contact with the HMK on the evenings I attend classes. There is a lady who I personally think baked the bread at the FIRST Supper that always wears her skin tight powder blue stretch pants to class and she has to sit in the front by me. Fully equipped with a fanny pack and starlight mints and she smells like moth balls. If she comes in with a "Let's get Physical" t-shirt on, I'm leaving.
Back on topic...it all boils down to self respect. I respect myself enough to not make you all hurl with the stretch marks I have that being preggie brings. I swear, I have a map of South Carolina on my stomach since my daughter "moved" in!
Posted by forget on August 14, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
About 20 years ago I would def. turn my nose up at these, but I could kiss the person that invented jeans that stretch. My Levis have just enough stretch in them to make jeans comfortable again! Thanks!
Posted by Tammie on August 14, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ice cream cone butt? Lmao I've never heard of that one!!
Marianne, you don't own "Mom jeans"? Le gasp!!
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
How do you explain a camel toe hmmm ok a woman girl whatever wears her pant so tight she splits her umm a whowho in two and it looks like a CAMEL TOE. (Red face here)
Posted by RTC on August 14, 2008 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
LOL@ granny....rug burn! I could only wish. Now, when your rear end starts dragging the ground then it time to have a sling around your neck to keep other people from stepping on it when they tailgate.
Posted by Marianne0558 on August 14, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hellz to the no on the Mom Jeans!!!
I would rather wear a thong over a pair of shorts with the word "HOT STUFF" ironed on the butt, with my half-shirt and jelly hanging over and out, socks with sandals, and perfectly teased bangs with a can and a half of RAVE, with my blue eyeshadow, thanks :)
Posted by MooMoo on August 14, 2008 at 10:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
While we're all reminiscing about the 80's fashions (and I use that term loosely), let us not forget stirrup pants and and the ever popular flashdance! Ugh. Not to mention big hair...
DoAmm - thanks for explaining camel toe- OMG - I think that's worse than baggy pants!
TAMMIE LOL at your classmate - you have to wonder what rock some have been living under...
Anyone ever watch that show "What not to wear? It's a hoot!
Posted by Marianne0558 on August 14, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Remember those shirts that changed color when you touched them... oh what were they called?! Hyper something...
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 10:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Really getting back on topic. These clothes are being sold today for back to school and I know for a fact that the schools here forbid baggy pants and a LONG shirts.
That’s another thing these shirts look like a dress the guys are wearing. They wear the baggy pants then wear the long shirts down to their knees I just don’t understand.
But even when I was wearing the fad at the time I knew what to wear to school (we weren’t allowed to wear pants to school that was for the guys dress or skirts only) or for a job interview now they do what they please and wear what the want and call it cool. Well your cool wont get you a job as the old saying g goes SORRY CHARLIE.
Posted by MooMoo on August 14, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You know, Ladies, another thing we should probably avoid wearing is LARGE FLORAL PATTERNS. If you look like a couch or window treatment, it just ain't right -that just looks bad.
And as for the gents - no too short ties or short sleeve dress shirts, ties as wide as your head, or white socks with dress shoes. Puh leeez...
Posted by MooMoo on August 14, 2008 at 10:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Granny - this is why parents like me really like school uniforms even if our kids don't...
Posted by greyrider on August 14, 2008 at 10:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I went into mourning when Reba McEntire cut her hair. It was the end of an era.
Posted by MooMoo on August 14, 2008 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Marianne - I remember shirts that turned colors upon exposure to sunlight - you can still get those. Never heard of ones that change color when touched.
Posted by iceman1978 on August 14, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Roberts, They look trashy, plain and simple. That sort of culture isn't what built America and it won't get one anywhere in life when they embrace it. Can you imagine showing up for a job interview looking like that?
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
As they say fads are in and out. But this one is still here and won’t go away. One day the boy wearing these pants may think when he is older how cool he use to look but the rest of us didn’t. He will look back and say I bet that is why I didn’t get that job or that is why I broke my leg trying to run while holding my pants up. dress for success, not for failure and these kids will fail. Jobs are hard to come by. And coming into my office this way will not get you that one job I have. I don’t care if you have a PHD you wont get the job
Posted by sc4peace on August 14, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
it's so much easier to pin-point the criminals if we let them wear their pants low- besides, wear else are they going to hide the drugs and money if they have tight pants on?
Posted by iceman1978 on August 14, 2008 at 10:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
grannyofseven, I agree with you. I've been in a position to interview people before and I wouldn't give someone a mop job if they came in dressed like that.
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 10:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Iceman they have come for interview lookng like that and the women in the short shorts and their assets hanging out of their blouses.
Posted by DoaMM on August 14, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
sc4peace, just to be fair I'll add this to your comment:
...and if you haven't committed a crime (yet) and you wear your pants low, just understand that you are a target not just for the cops, but also the other gangs.
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh God CB I hope not thank god i wont be here to see it
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Doaa you are so right
Posted by iceman1978 on August 14, 2008 at 10:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ColdBeer, If that happens I hope that I'll be living either in St. Maarten or Norway.
Posted by mkris on August 14, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
SIMPLE FASHION RULE: If you wore it the first time around, you can't wear it the next time.
Posted by ptmama73 on August 14, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My nephew went to DuBois Middle School and the policy on baggy pants was strict! If you came in with a sag the principal gave you two long BRIGHT ORANGE zip ties and made the student zip tie the pants at the waist. Talk about looking cool! An orange zip tie belt will gain you social status every time.
Posted by sc4peace on August 14, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I meant "where" not wear....brain's a little slow this morning :)
Posted by chucktonian on August 14, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
IT IS ABOUT TIME.
Now ban loud rap music and riding in your car laid so far back people think you're competing in the luge.
It's time to shut down the gangbanger appreciation society
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow!! You all hit the nail on the head first time. Those are all my peeves as well. How the hell can they drive lying down. I would fall asleep. How the hell can they see the road? My sons do this as well, or use to now they have kids and have to pay attention while in the car with them.
I can not stand the darn boom boom boom boom boom. I guess they have to have hearing aides by the time they are 30.
Here in our town we have a noise ordinance it’s not enforced but we have it.
Posted by DoaMM on August 14, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
CB:
"1) People that buy flowers and then let them die."
It's nature, you're born, you live a bit, then you die. Can't regulate that...
"2) People that put trash in their trash cans and then don't ensure the lid is fully shut."
If the lid is closed, I can't get food, man...
"3) People that drive Fords."
Don't hate the Fix Or Repair Daily's, dude!
:)
Posted by burton on August 14, 2008 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Out of all the issues facing their districts and this is the battle they chose to fight? How about introducing an economic stimulus plan for your district? How about trying to stop the current gentrification that is going on on the East side? How about fixing up some of the community centers? How about helping these kids finish their educations so they can get a job? How about instilling an entrepreneurial spirit in these kids?
Though many do not want to see a kid with their pants sagging down--and rightly so, this is not a battle I would fight right now when there are more pressing needs in my district at the end of the day. But, you are targeting a certain segment of kids. Are you going to go after the kids that wear the gothic outfits with rings all over their faces/bodies? If you go after one, then you have to go after all to be fair.
Posted by suec on August 14, 2008 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I read about a town where all the old peoeple and parents started wearing the sag look too. It went out of fashion with the younger generation really quick.
Posted by Dmoney on August 14, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
saggy pants gets more attention than the lack of jobs for minorities in Charleston. personally, i don't wear saggy pants, but who am i to tell another person what to wear. an unemployed man in saggy pants is the same as an unemployed man with a suit.....BROKE!
Posted by LowCountryRooster on August 14, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't really have a problem with the baggy style the young man in the picture is wearing. He has on a hoodie and a long t-shirt covering his backside. It's the one's that expose their entire butt (covered only in nappy flanel)that disgusts me. Kudos to the councilmen for listening and trying to make a change for the betterment of their crime and drug infested community.
Posted by Dmoney on August 14, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Burton, you hit the nail on the head.
Posted by jca on August 14, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
actually similar laws are in effect in other larger cities and it works
the point of banning sagging pants is to make it harder for criminals to hide weapons and stolen goods. i am for this
they should also ban micro mini skirts and skimpy tops. specially in the little girls market.
yes its disgusting to walk through the mall or anywhere and see groups of mainly guys hiking up their pants or flashing ass-crack or boxers trying explaining to a 5 year old child why this isnt proper dressing when he tries to bust a sag.
it is comic relief watching them struggle with shopping bags and their pants. sagging pants are linked to criminal behavior as its easy to hide stuff in them
Posted by suec on August 14, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
unless it is indecent exposure, the government should not be telling anyone what they can or cannot wear in public.
It's a slippery slope.
as for Burton's comments... tell the African American community to take responsiblity for themselves and their families. Tell the NAACP and your other government representatives to stop taking on the high profile media attention getting problems like the confederate flag and who can use the "n" word. Tell them tackle the REAL problems not just the ones that get their faces on TV.
Posted by Dmoney on August 14, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What's next....Dreadlocks? can anyone show me a study where wearing saggy pants increases crime? now compare that study to not having a decent paying job, and see which one has more effect on criminal activity.
Posted by Larz13 on August 14, 2008 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I am sure the SuperBad and Bluestein lobbyists will shoot this down.
Posted by newto843 on August 14, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I am 30 years old and used to sag my pants between the ages of 12 - 17 or so. This has been a skater and hip hop style for nearly 20 years out west, is SC just slow?
Posted by Dmoney on August 14, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Tell them tackle the REAL problems not just the ones that get their faces on TV.
so a flag that represents black people being in bondage is not a real issue? black kids disrecting their ancestors by calling each other the n-word is not a real issue? i'll admit that those issues are not top priority, but they should not be ignored.
i'll tell you what is being ignored, how racism plays a part in black people finding a good paying job in a State than wants to fly a flag that represents being separated frm America as we know it today in which ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.
Posted by justbeingme on August 14, 2008 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
WOWWWWWWW! So the goverment is now going to tell us how to wear our clothing! I agree with most of you....I don't care for the saggy, baggy, drooping, style but what generation hadn't a style or fad that made others crazy!!! Are they(the council)gonna do something about the gothic style, cross-dressers, the kids that wear black trench coats,breasts hanging out of halter tops, thong underwear showing above the waistlines, & wearing clothes that are too tight??
"Councilman Wendell Gilliard said saggy pants are associated with gangs and drugs, and should not be tolerated." By the way Mr. G, my jeans are loose to hide the extra weight that I've gained !!!
Posted by Tammie on August 14, 2008 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I have to agree with the masses, they need to work on real issues instead of this. This fad is just like gas...it'll pass.
Posted by Tammie on August 14, 2008 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
From my understanding, saggin isnt a white or black thing...it was a fad started in prison to let another inmate know they were the "bunk-over-boy" (for lack of a better term). Like y'all never watched "Oz". :-)
Posted by Dmoney on August 14, 2008 at 12:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
That's just it.Saggers are not going to get decent jobs because they set negative first impressions!
I TOTALLY AGREE. I ALSO KNOW A BLACK MAN IN A SUIT IS CALLED THE SAME THING AS A BLACK MAN WEARING SAGGY PANTS. FOR WHATEVER MONEY AND TIME THEY ARE SPENDING TRYING TO BAN SAGGY PANTS, THEY SHOULD USE THAT TIME AND MONEY TO HELP EDUCATE THE LESS EDUCATED (black and white). THAT WILL BRING ABOUT A CHANGE IN THE WAY A PERSON THINK, ACT AND DRESS. TO ATTACT A DRESSCODE IS LIKE TRYING TO KILL A TREE BY ONLY CUTTING THE FRUIT. ONE MUST GET TO THE ROOT!
Dredlocks are also a health hazard in the restaurant field.
COULD BE. BUT THAT SHOULD NOT BE THE ONLY JOB BLACK PEOPLE ARE QUALIFIED FOR (COOKS AND WAITERS. AND, DON'T OTHER PEOPLES HAIR SOMETIMES GET INTO CUSTOMERS FOOD? WHE NWAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW A WAITRESS WEARING A HEAD SCARF?
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 12:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Tammie I agree they need to go on with other issues. BUT when will this fad pass. It’s been 18 years now since this fad started and its getting worse as the years go by. The fads of our past are coming back too.
Look around you will see tie dyed shirts raggy jeans people pay good money for that. They have holes in them already.
Or jeans that look like they need to be washed.
I have also seen? saw? someone the other day came in here to fill out an application, they were wearing bell bottom jeans and no lie I promise you a fake fur vest and a shirt that ties in the front.
Posted by newto843 on August 14, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
yes Cypress skater pants were huge in the 90's. There was really no group of kids (except maybe the tight leg pants goth kids wore) who did not wear baggy pants and sag them. I just view this as typical rebellion as all generations have some form of. Here everyone seems to see it as racial.
Having said all that actual exposed butt crack should result in an indecent exposure ticket and leave it at that.
Posted by suec on August 14, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A black man (or black woman) with an education, who dresses, speaks and behaves like a professional has a better chance of moving up the corporate ladder than I do.
A black man or black woman who gets hired yet does not do their job has a better chance of keeping it than I do also.
Posted by Tammie on August 14, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Granny, I told you not to tell everyone I was at your job the other day!! ;-)
Posted by Dmoney on August 14, 2008 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I knew it would not be long before this became white folk's fault!
I NEVER SAID THIS IN ANY KIND OF WAY. BUT IF YOU CHECK THESE COMMENTS, YOU WOULD THINK THAT SAGGY PANTS IS A BLACK YOUTH ONLY ISSUE. SEE THE HIP HOP GENERATION IS NOT JUST BLACK. IN FACT MORE WHITE KIDS ARE INTO HIP HOP AND IT'S FASHION JUST AS MUCH AS BLACK KIDS. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THESE POST, ONE WOULD THINK IT'S A BLACK KIDS ONLY ISSUE. THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE WHITE KIDS SKATE BOARDING, NOTICE HOW LOW THEY WEAR THEIR PANTS ALSO.
Are they the ones the Great Society Programs were supposed to eliminate and that we have spent almost six trillion dollars to fix? Those problems? Do we need more Federal Govt Programs?
MORE ACTION AND LESS MONEY WILL HELP THE PROBLEM. I COULD DONATE A MILLION DOLLARS TO ANY SCHOOL. IT'S MY ACTIONS THAT WILL HAVE MORE OF AN OUTCOME.
Get a high school diploma, do not commit crimes.Dont knoock up every teenage girl in the hood. Stop victimology! Lastly...stop blaming racism! Whites can not impact black personal decisions!
AGAIN, I AGREE. BUT DO YOU THINK THIS A BLACK YOUTH ONLY PROBLEM, OR AN AMERICAN YOUTH PROBLEM? SOMETIMES WE THINK WHAT THEY SHOW ON TV IS ALL THERE IS. DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH AND YOU WILL FIND THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING EFFECTS EVERYONE. BUT IT MAKES SOME MORE PROUD TO THINK IT'S ONLY ONE GROUP AND NOT THEIRS.
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
As I have said, my son started wearing these baggy azz pants back in 91 and I am as my children are white I for that matter am lily white as one of my dear friends on here called me in jest so no its not just a black issue it all races.
Can’t we just once have a conversation in these with out someone bring in the race issue
Posted by iceman1978 on August 14, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Tammie, Exactly. Prison is where the trend first started. Race has nothing to do with it. It's stereotyping to think baggy pants and automatically assume young black males. Not only is it stereotyping, it's insulting to all young black males who don't dress like that.
Posted by IslandGirl83 on August 14, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Baggy pants and saggin is stupid and looks stupid, and I don't like it. With that said I have to echo what some many others have said. The government does not have a right to tell people what to wear and how to wear it. Unless of course they are indecently exposing themselves. I think that is where/how this issue should be solved.
Posted by Dmoney on August 14, 2008 at 12:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Typing in all caps does not mean the words carry more weight than they would otherwise
I DO IT TO SEPARATE MY RESPONSE TO WHAT I CUT AND PASTE.
Hell in some parts of the black community aspiring for success is "acting white!
AND THOSE WHO THINK THAT WAY ARE IGNORANT. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SMART BLACK MEN HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THIS AMERICAN SOCIETY.
There is no way I, nor anyone with any common sense would view a clean cut, well dressed, well spoken and well mannered guy the same as a goofy, street slang speaking, sag busting, crotch holding guy in a ball cap turned sideways
HAVE YOU SEEN WHAT THEY CALLED OBAMA?
Posted by Dmoney on August 14, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Race has nothing to do with it. It's stereotyping to think baggy pants and automatically assume young black males. Not only is it stereotyping, it's insulting to all young black males who don't dress like that.
100% ON POINT. BUT READ SOME OF THE POST AND ONE WOULD REALLY THINK THIS IS A BLACK ONLY ISSUE.
Posted by a_set_love on August 14, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dmoney, I've heard him called a Zebra....
Posted by jeff61 on August 14, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ok.. so we now know who that is....
Posted by Dmoney on August 14, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dmoney, I've heard him called a Zebra....
NOW THATS FUNNY. I'VE HEARD HIM CALLED THAT TOO.
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ok I can this is going in the wrong place again today.
Posted by ms_lady2u on August 14, 2008 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think p&c could have display a better picture,me myself don't see anything wrong with the young man in the picture, Saggin has really became an epidemic for the younger(black & white)generation.I agree they do look silly as hell,especially when their pants are too tight!
Posted by Dmoney on August 14, 2008 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Please do not make this into an example of how America is racist and black folks are being held down.
I'M NOT. BUT BEING THAT YOUTHS OF ALL RACES SOMEHOW THINKS IT'S COOL TO SAG, LOOK WHO THEY GOT AS THE POSTER BOY FOR THIS ARTICLE.
Hell, some of my supervisors, peers and subordinates are black as well as other non-whites, so don't hand me the black victimhood rhetoric.
AND? ALSO, WHAT EXACTLY IS BLACK VICTIMHOOD? IS THAT WHEN A BLACK MAN EXPRESSES THE TRUTH ABOUT HOW HE IS LOOKED UPON IN THIS COUNTRY?
The simple truth is this fad is silly, the ones engaged in it, especially the adults (of all colors) are dumber than dirt.
I AGREE 50%. THE FAD IS SILLY.
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When I see the saggy pants I just want to run up a pull them down. But being unable to run and knowing I would either get beat up or arrested I control myself.
But if it is someone I know I do it anyway
Posted by burton on August 14, 2008 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ColdBeer,
I said the same thing you did (see my post). At the end of the day, there are more pressing needs that these councilmen should be addressing. Kwadjo had his issues, but he was the only black councilman that seemed to have a plan for his district. I know King Riley is one who is glad Kwadjo is gone! LOL
Posted by Girleygirl on August 14, 2008 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Tammie and Cypress
I raise you all that and want to throw in Cross Colour pants, Etonic purple boots and British Knight sneakers!
Are we sure we want government telling us what to wear? Be careful what you ask for!
Posted by jeff61 on August 14, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
In my opinion there is no doubt that Dread Pirate is Arch and Elmer and Cypress Jones is Gadsden. The similarities in phrases and writing styles are just so noticeable it makes both of you look silly going to such extremes to deny that fact. You two should just leave each other alone. I also don't buy someone has sat back and read these posts for the pasts several days and decided to create a log in and post in same manner as the former so they can continue the fight. Although I must agree with what most posters have to say about arches attitude towards people at times. I am still not absolutely convinced you’re all not the same person fighting with yourself. The bottom line is, although it can be entertaining at times, some people just get ugly and carry it to extremes. It’s kind of getting old.
Posted by suec on August 14, 2008 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Kwadjo? If that is the best the black community has to offer up as a leader then it is no wonder there are problems.
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OMG! jeff I was thinking the same . wow get out of my head. there are things in there may scare you to death LOL.
Posted by jeff61 on August 14, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Actually I created my account over a year ago... I just never used it and it has always been the same name.
Posted by DoaMM on August 14, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think you nailed it, jeff...
But I like granny's idea...every time you see baggy britches, pull 'em down and run like heck!
Posted by Girleygirl on August 14, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Okay someone need to stop this cyber fight between Archdude and Gasden. I thought you all slept on this last night and let it go. This is cyber bullying at it's worse!
Posted by grannyofseven_2 on August 14, 2008 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I still can't see how this attire is comfortable.
If you have to hold your pants up while walking.
What happens if a big ole bear comes after you how you going to run? Hey it could happen you could be at the zoo and a bear or tiger gets loose and comes at you. Hmm maybe all it would get is baggy pants. Ok so maybe it can save your life.
On a serious note. I have to take your application I can not discriminate on what you wear or if you bring in your whole family while filling out you application. But no one says you will get the next job available either
Posted by MissPriss on August 14, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree with most on here...baggy pants are not attractive but I'm sure if we think REAL hard we can come up with more important things to worry about.
I do think that if you show yo