Accused LB opts for PTIBy Larry Williams (Contact)
The Post and Courier
Tuesday, August 12, 2008
Mic Smith Sophomore linebacker DeAndre McDaniel is contending for a starting spot on the Tigers' roster. CLEMSON — Clemson's DeAndre McDaniel has agreed to participate in a pre-trial intervention program to resolve his arrest for assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature. Robert Ariail, 13th Circuit solicitor, is expected to make an announcement this week concerning McDaniel's acceptance into PTI, a program that allows first-time offenders to have charges dropped and expunged upon successful completion. McDaniel, a sophomore who's contending for a starting spot at linebacker for the Tigers, confirmed he has agreed to pursue PTI. "I'm just listening to my lawyer right now," he said Monday. Now the big question is what discipline, if any, Tigers coach Tommy Bowden will impose. Bowden, whose team opens the season against Alabama on Aug. 30 in Atlanta, released a statement saying he won't have a comment until the PTI deal becomes official. "After the solicitor announces a decision," the statement read, "I plan to request a meeting with him and our administration, to better understand the facts of the case." McDaniel was arrested June 21 after an altercation with his girlfriend at his off-campus apartment. Abra Weeks, 19, alleged McDaniel choked her, punched her and shoved her down a flight of stairs. Kenneth Young, a Sumter attorney representing Weeks, said he's written a letter to Ariail supporting the PTI option. Young said Weeks also wants McDaniel to pay her medical bills for injuries she allegedly suffered during the incident. The charge is classified as a high-court misdemeanor. "He ought to be going into anger management and learning to deal with his frustration without pounding somebody," Young said. "And PTI takes time to complete, so he might not successfully complete the program. If he doesn't, he's back on the trial level." Young said Weeks endorsed the PTI option because "she still has feelings" for McDaniel. He also said Weeks has no intention of pursuing a civil suit. "She doesn't want to hurt him," he said. Nick Lavery, an attorney representing McDaniel, elected not to comment on the specifics of the PTI agreement until it becomes official. "Hopefully this matter is going to be resolved in an expedient manner," he said. A spokeswoman for Ariail said he did not wish to comment or elaborate on McDaniel's acceptance of PTI. McDaniel, 20, has yet to face any known discipline from the team or university. At a university hearing in early July, Clemson's judicial services committee ruled he was in good standing as a student after statements from him and two witnesses who refuted Weeks' account. Weeks, who is also a Clemson student, was not present at the hearing. It's been estimated the case could have taken six months to a year to reach trial. McDaniel said he has "no idea" what Bowden will do. "It's a lot of weight on my shoulders, but I'm just going through it," he said. "I'm just thinking positive through everything and letting it come to me." Reach Larry Williams at lwilliams@postandcourier.com and check out the new Clemson blog at www.charleston.net/blogs/tiger_tracks/>
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Posted by theronce on August 12, 2008 at 7:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This is evidence enough for me. Get him off our team.
Posted by vmid on August 12, 2008 at 7:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
He does not play for your team..... stick with your gamecocks.
Posted by girlygirl on August 12, 2008 at 8:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gamecock Rapsheet Part1
1 - 1/1/2000 - Kevin Rivers Dismissed academically ineligible
2 - 4/1/2000 - Dan Gawronski Dismissed Violation of team rules relating to arrest
3 - 4/1/2000 - Dan Gawronski Arrested Disorderly conduct, resisting arrest
4 - 7/1/2000 - Darion Hutcherson Suspended Fall semester by the campus Disciplinary Committee for infractions committed
5 - 7/1/2000 - O'Rondai Cox Suspended Fall semester by the campus Disciplinary Committee for infractions committed
6 - 8/1/2000 - Darion Hutcherson Dismissed Violation of team rules
7 - 8/1/2000 - O'Rondai Cox Dismissed Violation to team rules
8 - 12/1/2000 - Derek Watson Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
9 - 12/1/2000 - Derek Watson Arrested DUS 1st Offense, too fast for conditions, speeding (wrecking Ted Crawford's car)
10 - 2/1/2001 - Derek Watson Altercation Pushed referee, no charges filed
11 - 5/1/2001 - Derek Watson Suspended 3 month suspension relating to arrest
12 - 5/1/2001 - Derek Watson Arrested Misdemeanor assault and battery
13 - 7/1/2001 - Pat Fleming Dismissed Violation of team rules (marijuana)
14 - 7/1/2001 - Jeremiah Garrison Suspended 2 games suspension relating to arrest
15 - 7/1/2001 - Jeremiah Garrison Arrested Shoplifting
16 - 8/1/2001 - Derek Watson Charged Driving under suspension, playing his car stereo too loudly.
17 - 10/1/2001 - Andrea Gause Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
18 - 10/1/2001 - Andrea Gause Arrested Assault charges from altercation with female student
19 - 1/1/2002 - Derek Watson Dismissed Violation of team rules relating to arrest
20 - 1/1/2002 - Derek Watson Arrested Possession of marijuana
21 - 2/1/2002 - Henry Taylor Arrested DUS 1st Offense
22 - 4/1/2002 - Melvin Paige Drug test Tested positive to marijuana
23 - 8/1/2002 - Derek Watson Arrested 10 days in jail for contempt of court for failure to make sufficient progress on community service work
24 - 9/1/2002 - Derek Watson Arrested Driving left of center, DUS 2nd offense, reckless driving
25 - 3/1/2003 - Thez Robinson Dismissed Violation of team rules (cocaine)
26 - 3/1/2003 - Matthew Thomas Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
27 - 3/1/2003 - Matthew Thomas Arrested Simple assault on 20 year old female
Posted by girlygirl on August 12, 2008 at 8:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gamecock Rapsheet Part 2
Gamecock Rapsheet
1 - 1/1/2000 - Kevin Rivers Dismissed academically ineligible
2 - 4/1/2000 - Dan Gawronski Dismissed Violation of team rules relating to arrest
3 - 4/1/2000 - Dan Gawronski Arrested Disorderly conduct, resisting arrest
4 - 7/1/2000 - Darion Hutcherson Suspended Fall semester by the campus Disciplinary Committee for infractions committed
5 - 7/1/2000 - O'Rondai Cox Suspended Fall semester by the campus Disciplinary Committee for infractions committed
6 - 8/1/2000 - Darion Hutcherson Dismissed Violation of team rules
7 - 8/1/2000 - O'Rondai Cox Dismissed Violation to team rules
8 - 12/1/2000 - Derek Watson Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
9 - 12/1/2000 - Derek Watson Arrested DUS 1st Offense, too fast for conditions, speeding (wrecking Ted Crawford's car)
10 - 2/1/2001 - Derek Watson Altercation Pushed referee, no charges filed
11 - 5/1/2001 - Derek Watson Suspended 3 month suspension relating to arrest
12 - 5/1/2001 - Derek Watson Arrested Misdemeanor assault and battery
13 - 7/1/2001 - Pat Fleming Dismissed Violation of team rules (marijuana)
14 - 7/1/2001 - Jeremiah Garrison Suspended 2 games suspension relating to arrest
15 - 7/1/2001 - Jeremiah Garrison Arrested Shoplifting
16 - 8/1/2001 - Derek Watson Charged Driving under suspension, playing his car stereo too loudly.
17 - 10/1/2001 - Andrea Gause Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
18 - 10/1/2001 - Andrea Gause Arrested Assault charges from altercation with female student
19 - 1/1/2002 - Derek Watson Dismissed Violation of team rules relating to arrest
20 - 1/1/2002 - Derek Watson Arrested Possession of marijuana
21 - 2/1/2002 - Henry Taylor Arrested DUS 1st Offense
22 - 4/1/2002 - Melvin Paige Drug test Tested positive to marijuana
23 - 8/1/2002 - Derek Watson Arrested 10 days in jail for contempt of court for failure to make sufficient progress on community service work
24 - 9/1/2002 - Derek Watson Arrested Driving left of center, DUS 2nd offense, reckless driving
25 - 3/1/2003 - Thez Robinson Dismissed Violation of team rules (cocaine)
26 - 3/1/2003 - Matthew Thomas Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
27 - 3/1/2003 - Matthew Thomas Arrested Simple assault on 20 year old female
Posted by girlygirl on August 12, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
28 - 6/1/2003 - Daccus Turman Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
29 - 6/1/2003 - Daccus Turman Arrested Criminal domestic violence
30 - 6/1/2003 - Brandon Robinson Left the program Unknown
31 - 8/1/2003 - Matthew Thomas Suspended Academics
32 - 8/1/2003 - Chavez Donnings Suspended 2 game suspension from being declared ineligibility (secondary violation)
33 - 8/1/2003 - Daniel Weaver Suspended 1 game suspension from being declared ineligibility (secondary violation)
34 - 8/1/2003 - Tray Rogers Left the program Medical hardship
35 - 12/1/2003 - Jon Hall Suspended Violation of team rules
36 - 1/1/2004 - Jon Hall Dismissed Violation of team rules
37 - 1/1/2004 - Josh Johnson Left the program academically ineligible
38 - 1/1/2004 - Tremaine Tyler Suspended Relating to arrest
39 - 1/1/2004 - Tremaine Tyler Arrested Possession of marijuana
40 - 1/1/2004 - Kevin Mainord Altercation Possession of marijuana, stealing, run off from Bama from his official trip
41 - 7/1/2004 - Ty Erving Dismissed Violation of team rules (allowed back on team in 2005)
42 - 7/1/2004 - Stephen Sene Left the program academically ineligible
43 - 7/1/2004 - Derrick Harper Left the program academically ineligible
44 - 7/1/2004 - Derrick Harper Suspended Not attending classes, missing team meetings
45 - 7/1/2004 - Charlie Carpenter Suspended Violation of team rules
46 - 7/1/2004 - Moe Thompson Suspended Lost funding for the second session of summer school, relating to voluntary workouts
47 - 7/1/2004 - Curtis Rice Suspended Lost funding for the second session of summer school, relating to voluntary workouts
48 - 7/1/2004 - Ryan Brown Suspended Lost funding for the second session of summer school, relating to voluntary workouts
49 - 7/1/2004 - Cory Boyd Suspended Lost funding for the second session of summer school, relating to voluntary workouts
50 - 7/1/2004 - Syvelle Newton Suspended Lost funding for the second session of summer school, relating to voluntary workouts
51 - 7/1/2004 - Jamacia Jackson Suspended Lost funding for the second session of summer school, relating to voluntary workouts
52 - 7/1/2004 - Demetris Summers Suspended Lost funding for the second session of summer school, relating to voluntary workouts
53 - 8/1/2004 - Charlie Carpenter Suspended 1 game, violation of team rules
54 - 9/1/2004 - Noah Whiteside Suspended 1 game, violation of team rules (marijuana)
55 - 9/1/2004 - Travis Lee Suspended 1 game, violation of team rules (marijuana)
56 - 11/1/2004 - Moe Thompson Suspended 1 game suspension by SEC relating to Clemson brawl
57 - 11/1/2004 - Charles Silas Suspended 1 game suspension by SEC relating to Clemson brawl
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Posted by girlygirl on August 12, 2008 at 8:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gamecock Rapsheet Part 3
58 - 11/1/2004 - Freddy Saint-Preux Suspended 1 game suspension by SEC relating to Clemson brawl
59 - 11/1/2004 - Woodly Telfort Suspended 1 game suspension by SEC relating to Clemson brawl
60 - 11/1/2004 - Jermaine Sims Suspended 1 game suspension by SEC relating to Clemson brawl
61 - 11/1/2004 - Daccus Turman, Suspended 1 game suspension by SEC relating to Clemson brawl
62 - 11/1/2004 - John Paul Gillis Altercation Civil disturbance East Quad dormitory, harassing disorderly, no charges where filed
63 - 11/1/2004 - Justin Sorensen Altercation Civil disturbance East Quad dormitory, harassing disorderly, no charges where filed
64 - 11/1/2004 - Bryan Kingrey Altercation Civil disturbance East Quad dormitory, harassing disorderly, no charges where filed
65 - 11/1/2004 - Kevin Mainord Altercation Civil disturbance East Quad dormitory, harassing disorderly, no charges where filed
66 (1) - 1/1/2005 - Demetris Summers Altercation Tossed out of IHOP for being drunk and disorderly, police were called but no charges filed
67 (2) - 1/1/2005 - Carlos Thomas Altercation Tossed out of IHOP for being drunk and disorderly, police were called but no charges filed
68 (3) - 1/1/2005 - Jarriel King Altercation Tossed out of IHOP for being drunk and disorderly, police were called but no charges filed
69 (4) - 1/1/2005 - Jonathan Hannah Altercation Tossed out of IHOP for being drunk and disorderly, police were called but no charges filed
70 (5) - 1/1/2005 - Kevin Mainord Altercation Tossed out of IHOP for being drunk and disorderly, police were called but no charges filed
71 (6) - 1/1/2005 - Syvelle Newton Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
72 (7) - 1/1/2005 - Syvelle Newton Arrested Stolen equip; petit larceny
73 (8) - 1/1/2005 - Dondrial Pinkins Arrested Stolen equip; petit larceny
74 (9) - 1/1/2005 - Freddy Saint-Preux Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
75 (10) - 1/1/2005 - Freddy Saint-Preux Arrested Stolen equip; petit larceny
76 (11) - 1/1/2005 - Rodriques Wilson Arrested Stolen equip; petit larceny
77 (12) - 1/1/2005 - Brian Brownlee Arrested Stolen equip; grand larceny
78 (13) - 1/1/2005 - Woodly Telfort Dismissed Violation of team rules relating to arrest
79 (14) - 1/1/2005 - Woodly Telfort Arrested Stolen equip; grand larceny
80 (15) - 93/1/2005 - Noah Whiteside Drug test Tested positive to marijuana
Posted by girlygirl on August 12, 2008 at 8:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gamecock Rapsheet Part 4
81 (16) - 3/1/2005 - Woody Telfort Dismissed Violation of team rules relating to arrest
82 (17) - 3/1/2005 - Kevin Mainord Dismissed Violation of team rules relating to arrest
83 (18) - 3/1/2005 - Kevin Mainord Arrested First-degree burglary, simple larceny
84 (19) - 3/1/2005 - Moe Thompson Dismissed Violation of team rules relating to arrest
85 (20) - 3/1/2005 - Moe Thompson Arrested First-degree burglary, simple larceny
86 (21) - 3/1/2005 - Demetris Summers Dismissed Violating athletic dept drug policy
87 (22) - 3/1/2005 - Demetris Summers Drug test Tested positive to marijuana, 2nd offense
88 (23) - 3/1/2005 - David McNeal Smith Dismissed Violation of team rules relating to arrest
89 (24) - 3/1/2005 - David McNeal Smith Arrested First-degree burglary (charged with six offenses)
90 (25) - 4/1/2005 - Syvelle Newton Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
91 (26) - 4/1/2005 - Syvelle Newton Arrested Charges later dropped, scuffle at Masonic Temple
92 (27) - 4/1/2005 - Josh Johnson Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
93 (28) - 4/1/2005 - Josh Johnson Arrested Simple possession (marijuana)
94 (29) - 4/1/2005 - Ty Erving Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
95 (30) - 4/1/2005 - Ty Erving Arrested Simple possession (marijuana)
96 (31) - 5/1/2005 - Dustin Lindsey Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
97 (32) - 5/1/2005 - Dustin Lindsey Arrested DUI
98 (33) - 5/1/2005 - Antonio Lamar Dismissed academically ineligible
99 (34) - 6/1/2005 - Cory Boyd Suspended 1 year suspension, violation of athletic department drug policy
100 (35) - 6/1/2005 - Cory Boyd Drug test Tested positive to marijuana, 3rd offense
101 (36) - 6/1/2005 - Moe Thompson Drug test Tested positive to marijuana
102 (37) - 7/1/2005 - Trent Usher Left the program Scholarship not renewed
103 (38) - 7/1/2005 - Josh Winchell Left the program Scholarship not renewed
104 (39) - 7/1/2005 - Grayson Mullins Left the program Scholarship not renewed
105 (40) - 8/1/2005 - D'Von Hill Left the program Medical hardship, scholarship not being renewed
106 (41) - 8/1/2005 - James Scott Left the program Medical hardship
107 (42) - 9/1/2005 - Cory Boyd Altercation Tire slashing, year long suspension at time of incident
108 (43) - 10/1/2005 - Josh Johnson Dismissed Violations of team rules relating to arrest
109 (44) - 10/1/2005 - Josh Johnson Arrested Simple assault, resisting arrest, disorderly conduct, interfering with police, open container
110 (45) - 11/1/2005 - Scott Morgan Suspended Violations of team rules relating to arrest
Posted by girlygirl on August 12, 2008 at 8:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gamecock Rapsheet Part 5
111 (46) - 11/1/2005 - Scott Morgan Arrested DUI, open container
112 (47) - 1/1/2006 - Dustin Lindsey Left the program academically ineligible
113 (48) - 3/1/2006 - Shea McKeen Suspended 3 games suspension, relating to arrest
114 (49) - 3/1/2006 - Shea McKeen Arrested Disorderly conduct, trespass after notice, failure to stop on police command
115 (50) - 3/1/2006 - Dustin Lindsey Arrested Disorderly conduct, trespass after notice, failure to stop on police command
116 (51) - 6/1/2006 - Shea McKeen Left the program Decided to give up
117 (52) - 7/1/2006 - Noah Whiteside Suspended Academics
118 (53) - 8/1/2006 - Mychal Belcher Left the program academically ineligible
119 (54) - 8/1/2006 - Ty Erving Suspended 3 games, violation of team rules
130 (55) - 8/1/2006 - Noah Whiteside Suspended 3 games, violation of team rules
131 (56) - 8/1/2006 - Brandon Isaac Suspended 3 game suspension from being declared ineligibility (secondary violation)
132 (57) - 9/1/2006 - Blake Mitchell Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
133 (58) - 9/1/2006 - Blake Mitchell Arrested Simple assault
134 (59) - 10/1/2006 - O.J. Murdock Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest, quit team
135 (60) - 10/1/2006 - O.J. Murdock Arrested Shoplifting
136 (61) - 10/1/2006 - Kerry Bonds Dismissed Violation of team rules relating to his arrest
137 (62) - 10/1/2006 - Kerry Bonds Arrested Assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature
138 (63) - 12/1/2006 - Stanley Doughty Left the program Spurrier's doghouse, questionable work ethic
139 (64) - 12/1/2006 - Taylor Rank Suspended Violation of teams rules (caught smoking marijuana in hotel at bowl game)
140 (64) - 12/1/2006 - Dakota Walker Suspended Violation of teams rules (caught smoking marijuana in hotel at bowl game)
141 (65) - 12/1/2006 - O.J. Murdock Transferred decided to give football another try instead of just track, transferred to USF
142 (66) - 1/1/2007 - Johnathan Joseph Arrested Possession of marijuana
143 (67) - 2/1/2007 - Stephen Garcia Suspended Violation of team rules relating to arrest
Posted by girlygirl on August 12, 2008 at 8:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gamecock Rap sheet Part 6
144 (68) - 2/1/2007 - Stephen Garcia Arrested Public drunkenness, failure to stop for a police officer
145 (69) - 3/1/2007 - Justin Sorensen Altercation Lacerations on his head neck and back
146 (70) - 3/1/2007 - Aubrey McKay Left the program Decided to give up
147 (71) - 3/1/2007 - Stephen Garcia Suspended Violation of teams rules relating to arrest (not allowed to wear jersey during spring practice)
148 (72) - 3/1/2007 - Stephen Garcia Arrested Malicious injury to personal property
149 (73) – 7/2007 Quinten Richardson arrested for marijuana possession
150 (74) – 8/2007 Emmanual Cook arrested for possession of fire arm on campus
151 (75) – QB Michael McQueeny arrested in Charleston for drunk and disorderly conduct
152 (76) - 2/2008- Dion Lecorn arrested for marijuana possession
153 (77) – 2/2008 – Matt Clemmons violation of team rules (with Richardson)
154 (78) - 3/2008 ? Kevin Young charged with resisting arrest and fighting while in 5 points
155 (79) - 3/2008 - Defensive back Carlos Thomas has been suspended indefinitely from the Gamecock football team for a violation of team rules and team behavior
156 (80) - 3/2008 - Walk-on defensive back Mike Newton charged with public disorderly conduct
157 (81) - 3/2008 – QB Stephen Garcia charged with underage drinking (improperly discharging a fire extinguisher).
158 (82) - 3/2008 – OL Heath Batchelor charged with underage drinking
159 (83) - 3/2008 – Walk-on QB Zac Brindise charged with underage drinking
160 – 5/2008 - Devin Downey arrested for assault and battery
Posted by girlygirl on August 12, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My sincere apologies for the double post on Part 1.
It appears that if arrests were an Olympic event the Gamecocks would take the Gold !!
USC ! USC ! USC .......... not
Posted by TAR1 on August 12, 2008 at 8:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
WOW!!!!!!! I thought this was an article about a CU linebacker. GG, you've got way too much time on your hands.
Posted by notafan on August 12, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
girly girl I just hope you will post the number of Clemson players arrested for comparison. I anxiously await your posts but will not hold my breath. Also do did you notice that some of the players were actually suspened or kicked off the team and not give a good standing with the football team.
Girly Girl why don't you actually post something realitive to the article. How do you feel about the actual charges?
I wonder what her posts would have been if this was a Gamecock player.
Posted by sbs920 on August 12, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Now the big question is what discipline, if any, Tigers coach Tommy Bowden will impose. Bowden, whose team opens the season against Alabama on Aug. 30 in Atlanta, released a statement saying he won't have a comment until the PTI deal becomes official. "
Oh no he is innocent. . . LOL! that's why he is going into PTI ? Whatta freaking joke. . .
This is why he has the nickname " Little Tammy "
he has no balls.
Posted by BotanyIsland on August 12, 2008 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
That's quite a list GirlyGirl provided. I had no idea the Gamecocks had that many run in's with the law, so I decided to start reading the list. Being from out of town, I only started following the two state teams recently. I noticed on the report there were quite a few incidents that seemed to be listed as doubles. (ex: a player getting in trouble and then getting kicked off the team for that trouble.) I felt that was repetitve for purposes of showing how many instances there truly were. Then I noticed that was a theme throughout the whole list. Situations such as player left because of medical hardship, violation of team rules, academically ineligible, or a player listed twice for the same event. Out of the 160 "instances" listed, I counted 80 of them fell under this category. That's half of the list. I didn't include what I'd consider minor violations either on my list of 80. (slow day at work) I deem a minor violtation would be an instnace such as underage drinking. My kids have received punishment for the same offense, but I don't consider them bad kids for it. I can understand the Clemson fan's viewpoint and the picture they try to paint as to why those offenses are included in the list. I also noticed 6 of the listed offenses were related to a fight with clemson players, not exactly helping to the desired outcome of the posting. It looks like my lawyer came up with this list. All in all, it wreeks of sensationalization and petty obsessive behavior on the clemson fanbase. On the other hand, it does seem that in the end years of Lou Holtz's tenure, there were some violations. He's vilianized by many college football fans around the country for this reason. Certainly, there were crimes (theft, assault) that certainly deserved to be brought to light. Those crimes seemed to be dealt with and appropriate disciplinary action was taken from what I can gather on this list.
Which brings me to the point at hand.
The Clemson football player referenced in the article should receive a second chance in life. People make mistakes, and if you can repent for them, you deserve a chance to prove yourself as a good person in this country. Still, it reflects poorly on Clemson to let him on the team after what is basically an admission of guilt. Playing football is a priveledge and should be viewed as such. For Clemson to let him back on the team the same year shows where their true intentions lie and is a testament to what is most important to the university. From my perspective, the potential winning and the money that comes with it are blinding the administration to the larger picture on life.
After two years, I have come to the conclusion I like the way the Gamecocks and Steve Spurrier run their program better than Clemson and Tommy Bowden. I think I'll pull for the Gamecocks this year in the annual rivalry. Makes me feel like a local to pick a side.
Posted by tigerbdog on August 12, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Botany, feel free, you will fit right in with those losers.
Posted by SangareeCrew on August 12, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Botany, you will soon see that there is no talking civily with Clemson fans. I would love it if we Gamecocks and Tigers could live in peace.......but it will never happen. People like IslandGirl and tigerbdog will berate you and call you a loser because you have freely chosen to back the University of South Carolina. According to Clemson fans, nothing ever, ever happens at Clemson. They have all day to post a bunch of half truths and an artificially extended list of USC's "problems", but won't even acknowledge that this player is admitting guilt in a case where a woman was assaulted by a man. That is a little more serious that underage beer drinking, in my opinion. Botany, you are a smart person and the reasoning in your post confirms that....welcome to the Gamecock Nation.
Prepare to be flamed and trashed by our Clemson "brethren".
Posted by Chanticleer on August 12, 2008 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Once McDaniel is found guilty in a courtroom, then you coots will have a leg to stand on. Your repsonse will be:
"Why would someone take PTI if they're are innocent?"
I don't think he is completely innocent, but he definitly isn't guilty of what he was arrested for. So its called (stay with me coots this is a big word) compromise.
Here is a question for the coots though. If DM in fact beat this girl, why does she still have feelings for him and doesn't want to hurt him?
Answer: She still thinks she has a chance to collect some of his NFL $$$.
Posted by SangareeCrew on August 12, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If he was innocent, he wouldn't even be talking PTI. He would be going to trial to prove that he is innocent.
Gadsden- I know there are plenty of butthole USC fans out there as well. I just find it comical that in the comments to an article describing a CURRENT event, we get a artificially extended list of "problems" at USC. Most of which go back to the previous coach. A Gamecock missing class in 2002 has nothing to do with this player allegedly striking a woman......it is a problem, Clemson fans can smell the hypocricy, so they respond with a canned list of old stuff attempting to make USC look bad..........I don't ever want to "throw stones". I know that both schools have problems. But girlygirl just unleashed a rock quarry of half-thruths at us, so I don't think that responding as I did is a problem at all.
Posted by SangareeCrew on August 12, 2008 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
And chanicleer........plenty of times, a woman gets beat but still goes home to the man. Happens all the time. Does that mean we don't go after the man who hits a woman? Sometimes women go back to a man that beats them, just because they go back doesn't take the blame off the man for hitting her in the first place. Women sometimes like to give a man a second chance, but that doesn't mean the state should overlook abuse when it happens.
Posted by Chanticleer on August 12, 2008 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Apparently "compromise" was to big of a word for SangareeCrew and the rest of the coots.
Posted by JF on August 12, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Girly girl is typical of Clemson football fans. They love to point at USC players when they get in trouble, but have no problems rationalizing when Clemson players do bad things. I don't really think keying a car or smoking pot is the same category as beating a small woman and throwing down stairs! To his credit Spurrier kicked D. Summers of the team. My grandfather played ball for Clemson, but having to listen to my obnoxious relatives at Thanksgiving has led me to pull against Clemson. Tommy Bowden is the epitome of mediocraty. He only won three games against Division One teams with winning records last year one of which was Central Michigan, and he still got a fat contrac from the idiots at Clemson. He had much more success at Tulane with someone elses players. I think Clemson and USC should kick off any players who violently assault women.
Posted by Chanticleer on August 12, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes it does, if the woman goes back to the man after beating her, she is doing the same exact thing yall are blaming Tommy for, taking abuse lightly. If a woman goes back to a man after that, then she obviously doesn't think the abuse was that bad. Women (or men) who continue in an abusive relationship are idiots and don't get my sympathy for the continued beatings they get.
Beat me once, shame on you. Beat me twice, shame on me.
Posted by LowCountryRooster on August 12, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Go on GirlyGirl! If those tigers want to beat their women, it's just fine with her!
Posted by Rebel_Yell on August 12, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Take your medicine thugger fans. This guy beat up a girl. The cops arrested him because of the physical evidence-- which according to the police, could not be self-inflicted. What's really shocking is that you tigs take such pride in calling out others, yet this skumbag was not suspended for one practice. Now that he is acknowledging fault for her injuries, what is Bowden to do? Give him a medal for taking responsibility now after lying to the administration initially? If we are all lucky enough, McDaniel will run into girly-girl and beat her down. At least McDaniel is just one gang rape away from getting suspended for a practice. Hypocrites!!!!!!!!!
Posted by JF on August 12, 2008 at 12:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bowden will likely punish him by make him sit out a series of downs in the first quarter of the first game.
Posted by BotanyIsland on August 12, 2008 at 12:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Baptism by fire from the Clemson bunch. It feels good to be in the competitve nature of an instate rivalry. Healthy for the soul if you ask me.
Being called a loser and reading an explination of how a beaten woman wants money, it seems as if my assertion is the correct one. Clemson as a university (fans and coaches) wants him on the football team. To me, this speaks volumes about the character of both.
A little over two weeks until college football season starts. God bless America and the football she bears every autumn.
Posted by Rebel_Yell on August 12, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
And Girley-girl. How fat are you? Probably not very girly at all i suspect. That's alright -- just pull on you overalls and head to the games, there is always a football fan wearing beer goggles that will hang with a pig for a night.
Posted by coastal1 on August 12, 2008 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Poll on rivals.com with 165 votes.
Now that Deandre McDaniel is accepting PTI for the assault charge, what should Coach Bowden do?
Nothing 16.97%
Sit out 1st Qtr against Bama 3.03%
Sit out Bama game 20.00%
Sit out against The Citadel 5.45%
Multiple Games 29.70%
Kick off team 24.85%
Posted by dereksmith on August 12, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Personally, I wish Clemson would take usc off their schedule. It's not even a rivalry anymore...THEY SUCK. It only makes their strength-of-schedule weaker. There's a bigger rivalry with fla state. Or put ga back on the schedule.
Posted by Rooster07 on August 12, 2008 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Article on ESPN.com today by Mark Schlabach.
'ACC forecast: Wait 'til next year again for Tigers
By Mark Schlabach
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: August 12, 2008
Expansion hasn't gone exactly how the ACC envisioned it would after it raided the Big East for three teams in 2003. ACC champions are 1-9 in BCS bowl games in the past decade, and the league has yet to earn an at-large berth into a BCS game. Is this the season Florida State and Miami finally return to national prominence? Probably not. Is this another topsy-turvy season in which a team such as Wake Forest or North Carolina might stun the rest of the ACC? Maybe.
1. Clemson won't win the ACC.
The Tigers are loaded at the skill positions. Cullen Harper is the best quarterback in the ACC. Tailbacks James Davis and C.J. Spiller are two of the best runners in the country. Aaron Kelly is the best pass-catcher in the league. But Clemson might start two or even three freshmen on the offensive line, which isn't a good thing, and its linebacker corps is very thin. Alabama will beat the Tigers in the Georgia Dome in the opener, and North Carolina or Wake Forest will win the ACC.'
Posted by SangareeCrew on August 12, 2008 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Gadsden, no, I don't think bad behavior by one person justifies the same bad behavior by another.
I was merely replying to girlygirl's investigative reporting, which is half bogus and the other half stretched to make a really long list. I called her out on it, plain and simple. I also said that Clemson fans typically do things like that when they are called on problems happening right now in their own house.
I stand by it.
Posted by IslandGirl83 on August 12, 2008 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
SangareeCrew:
"People like IslandGirl and tigerbdog will berate you and call you a loser because you have freely chosen to back the University of South Carolina. According to Clemson fans, nothing ever, ever happens at Clemson. They have all day to post a bunch of half truths and an artificially extended list of USC's "problems", but won't even acknowledge that this player is admitting guilt in a case where a woman was assaulted by a man. That is a little more serious that underage beer drinking, in my opinion."
Thanks for putting words in my mouth that I never said. I am 100% sure you don't know what my opinion on any of those issues are as we have never even discussed them.
I didn't call you a loser EVER.
And FYI I don't have all day to post... but apparently you do. As a matter of fact someone else even had to bring your post to my attention since I do not take the time to daily post on the message boards.
Maybe you should stop yourself before you post anymore "half truths". Because I am pretty sure I do not look down on anyone who has "freely chosen to back the University of South Carolina" since the man I am going to marry in less than a month is a USC fan.
What I do have a problem with is people like you who stereotype fans and think all fans are exactly the same. Which obviously you do since you just ASSUMED things about me.
Posted by Rebel_Yell on August 12, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh Derrick -- please take us off your wimpy schedule. We don't want to be associated with girlbeaters and gangrapers anymore. It will also improve carolina's schedule and make clemson's even worse. While we are at it, let's cut Dung County out of the state all together--it does not belong in SC. Tell me again--what top 20 teams did you beat last year? SCar beat two top ten teams and they sucked--can you beat that?
And Ga has always owned clemson--even in the decade when clemson was busy cheating their way to the tainted title of '81. Ga does not want to play the cow turds. They have a real NC without the taint of cheat all over it. Congrats on doing nothing and being so proud of it. Cheater and wifebeater.
Posted by SangareeCrew on August 12, 2008 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Islandgirl.............I am very sorry to have riled you all up.
I was talking to BotanyIsland, in response to girlygirl's post. I accidentally put your two names together.....honestly, I never meant to put your name in there and I apologize for the error. My post should have referred to "girlygirl" when I accidentally used your name. I didn't mean to do that and I apologize.
I do not post very often on this site. I definately would never use your name unless replying to something you said. I apologize for putting BotanyIsland and girlygirl together earlier.
I know that all team's fans are not alike. I know that both USC and Clemson have buttholes as fans, and nice people as fans. I was trying to tell BotanyIsland that people like girlygirl (who posted the long list above) would call her a loser, not that all Clemson fans were. There are plenty of USC fans that will call Clemson fans "losers" for no reason as well.
Posted by IslandGirl83 on August 12, 2008 at 4:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
SangareeCrew:
Sorry that I went off since it was just a misunderstanding then. I see how you could get those mixed up, and I really appriecate you posting back.
I do agree that the posting of long lists are uncalled for, and I for one just glaze over that kinda thing because I find it pointless (and don't have the time to verify that kind of information.
Posted by IslandGirl83 on August 12, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I personally agree with a lot of what BotanyIsland said:
"The Clemson football player referenced in the article should receive a second chance in life. People make mistakes, and if you can repent for them, you deserve a chance to prove yourself as a good person in this country. Still, it reflects poorly on Clemson to let him on the team after what is basically an admission of guilt. Playing football is a priveledge and should be viewed as such."
Posted by SangareeCrew on August 12, 2008 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank you!
Posted by JF on August 12, 2008 at 4:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bowden's best season was with TULANE with someone elses players.
Bowden has never even won a single Average Coast Conference Championship or finsihed in the top 20 at Clemson.
I have never seen someone get less out of his talent than Bowden, yet he gets another contract?
At least USC plays against quality competition.
Posted by charleston_grown on August 12, 2008 at 6:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
pti is not an admission of guilt. some people need to grow up. this is a serious issue and as fans we shouldn't resort to name calling and childish antics, it just makes you look silly and you lose all credibility.
once all the information is provided to the proper people, an informed and proper decision will be made regarding McDaniel's status. until then, lets just wait for the season to kick off!
Posted by girlygirl on August 12, 2008 at 8:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I love to stir you lamecocks up and sit back and watch ... laffin ... it's almost to easy
Posted by JF on August 12, 2008 at 10:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
girly girl the proper word is "too" not "to". Did you take any English classes at Clemson?
Posted by SOSblows on August 12, 2008 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
actually JF, "too" means also, gg used it right. Where did you take english?
example: Clemson beat south carolina too (also).
example: south carolina players went to the stadium to steal stuff.
Posted by youmanyo on August 12, 2008 at 11:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
SangareeCrew is that the name of a gang , or are you just proud of living in sangaree .
Posted by theronce on August 13, 2008 at 7:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
vmid, I am Class of '73.
Posted by girlygirl on August 13, 2008 at 7:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
again, JF proves my point ......... it's just TOO easy .
and just for the record ..... I am fan of either school nor did I attend a university in this state.
I moved to this state 5 years ago and became immediately aware that 90% of the USC fans I met were wannabes. You wannabe champions, you wannabe a top ranked academic university ...... none of which has been remotely achievable in your past or will be in your future. The people I have met that represent themselves as fans that disappear as their season wears on ....
Why dont you concentrate on having your athletes NOT wannabe felons first - I see that as a great place to start. Sorry if you dont like what I have to say... merely an outsiders view.
Oh btw ..... I used google for my arrest records search ... I used the same search criteria for the Tigers. While I did not find the same type of comprehensive list- they are not without sin. The gamecocks list was simply overwhelming and just to much to pass up !
Enjoy your football seasons while you can as you are all undefeated - it will change soon.
GG
Posted by wegwam on August 13, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"I am fan of either school nor did I attend a university in this state." - girly girl
im not really sure what you are trying to say but i do know you should stop. you may not know what you are talking about but you sure are good at sounding stupid.
Posted by notafan on August 13, 2008 at 9:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
GirlyGirl, you probably make some poor guy's life a living hell. I just hope you do not have any children. Can you imagine if GirlyGirl was your mom??? They must be proud.
I wonder what GirlGirl's attitude would be if it was her daughter that was assaulted. If a Carolina football player beat up my daughter getting kicked off the football team would be the least of his worries.
But I guess hitting girls is a normal occurrence in GirlyGirl's life. Sad..
Posted by IslandGirl83 on August 13, 2008 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
SOSblows: I believe JF was referring to the 2nd "to" in girlygirls post and that one IS used incorrectly.
Thought you had him for a minute but you didn't.
I agree with charleston_grown that PTI is not an admission of guilt. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying he might not be guilty, but I don't think everyone that chooses pti is guilty. They just don't have faith that the system will make the right decision, and they don't want to take that chance.
Posted by fantasy5 on August 13, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
JF, SC hasn't been in TOP 25 since lord knows when, so to use that stat is pointless. Your point against quality competition? For one, it doesn't matter who you play if your are consistently the whipping boy of your conference. Secondly, we can't control if other programs in our conf. have dips in their talent levels or progress from year to year. I think a lot of people believe FSU, Miami, VT, BC, WF along with a few other schools are on the up and up and the ACC will return to be a top tier conference. You may not know that once upon a time the SEC wasn't so prosperous, but ALL conferences have experienced these ebbs and flows. For those who say Clemson cheated during their national championship year or any surrounding years, I promise you Clemson wasn't doing anything different than anyone else at the time, however with the spotlight, everyone seems to focus and notice more. SC fans, you get yours and we'll get ours. As long as Clemson owns you guys, then what our record is against ANY other school who SC plays does not matter. Clemson has held their own against Georgia and several other SEC schools, but the bottom line is Clemson owns USC, bar none. As long as this is the case, SC fans shouldn't be talking about who we play or who you play, because if we're beating you, then likely we would be winning more than you in the SEC. Clemson has the school, campus and the image to be more of an SEC type school than SC will EVER have, and SC fans can't nor ever will even though they're in the SEC, they are not SEC calibur. The SEC would probably move at the drop of a dime if they could drop SC and add Clemson. We're better academically and would compete better at any and all levels compared to SC. We know that wont happen because too many teams in the SEC enjoy having a cupcake like SC on their schedule every year. SC fans, prepare to remain the red-headed step child you've always been... Also, anyone know if SOS was a red-headed step-child? just curious...
Posted by ashleyriver on August 13, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
girlygirl----fret not about the typo's or accusations by these gamecock fans. If any of them actually did attend that craphole in Columbia, they received their degree from an second-rate academic institution and they are well aware of it....so whichever university you did attend, it is undoubtedly ranked higher than usc.
If you'd like, I'll go and pull up some of THEIR posts from past history and we can all get a terrific laugh at the atrocious spelling and punctuation---which is generally indicative of their educational background. In point of fact, I find it rather difficult to believe any gamecock supporter would mention spelling and punctuation to any other poster.
By posting the truth (however long and detailed), what you did was ruffle some mite infested feathers which accompany their minute poultry brains and you've thus further enhanced their understandable feelings of inferiority . Their reaction was typical and predictable.
And don't worry.. They know the academic truth about usc as well as the pathetic history of their football program
Posted by BotanyIsland on August 13, 2008 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
McDaniel sent that poor girl "to" the hospital. I'm choosing "to" root for South Carolina. It's a shorter drive "to" Columbia from Mt. Pleasant. I think I'll attend a couple of games this year, hopefully the one against Georgia, as many of you will "too." These newspaper message boards are "too" fun.
Posted by ed52 on August 13, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
160 violations , wow ,still not equal to one dead coach . at that time tommy NEEDED linemen . oh well coaches are easy too get.
Posted by theronce on August 13, 2008 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Et "tu", BotanyIsland?
Posted by notafan on August 13, 2008 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey McDaniel chose PTI so that means he should not and will not be punished by Bowden.
What if it were your daughter that McDaniel hit? Would PTI be adequate punishment for you??
I anxiously await to see the responses that continue to bash Carolina and not address the issue at hand.
And didn't Clemson suspend two FIFTH year seniors for their last game due to academics? GirlyGirl forgot that one I guess. Selective memory is a wonderful thing.
Posted by fantasy5 on August 13, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
McDaniel chose PTI because it appeared he didn't have many options. It is apparent that "something" happened that early morning, however no one knows and its one persons word against another. The young woman had marks that showed signs of distress, which the police, (who last time I checked aren't investigators) said couldn't be self-inflicted. Now the young woman could have not allowed for PTI and decided to move along with pressing charges, but she isn't so you have to think about it from that perspective to... Maybe she was second guessing herself and the information she provided. Long story short, both parties accepted his ability to take PTI, and perhaps DM thought that was the best intervention seeing as he knows he was likely in the wrong to an extent. No one knows, but for everyone here to call him a woman beater, if you weren't there then don't act like you "know" all the facts. It seems a little fishy from both parties, but it doesn't sound like DM did everything the young woman claimed, so you have to question the truth of all sides. SC fans, leave this by the fence, we're going to beat you with or without DM, and Clemson's dominance over your beloved little cocks will continue....
Posted by JF on August 13, 2008 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Fantasy5
Wow you are really a good example of an obnoxious fan. Clemson has owned USC recently in in general. Why becuase they had better teams many times and other times USC was just plain bad. I was not singing the praises of USC.
Still seems a pity Clemson takes so much pride in beating USC that they ignore their own shortcomings, underperfoming talent, and average coaching.
Quality of competion doesn't matter to you? As long as you have a good conference record? No wonder Bowden has stayed on as coach.
Comparing the ACC to SEC is ridiculous the ACC has four AP National Chamionships. The SEC has 13 by my count. Over four times as many. The SEC teams had five teams in the top 20 last year, the ACC one.
How many top five teams did Clemson play play year? South Carolina beat Georgia and played National Champions LSU fairly well. Clemson lost to all the final ranked AP opponents they played. USC played four teams finishing in the AP top 20. The ACC record in bowl games speaks for itself. Maybe the teams that used to be strong and joined the ACC are losing talent becuase of the level of competition.
By the way I used like Clemson, but Bowden, and behavior by my relatives a few of whom are really obnoxious Clemson fans, like you turned me off on the Tigers. I think Spurrier is a good coach and runs his teams well. SEC football is much more exciting and interesting than the ACC. I am not a fan who wants to hate the opponent.
You say I shouldn't talk about Clemson schedule as " we are beating you"? Do you play for the Tigers? What is your position, do you start? As for me I am not a player so you didn't beat me. Maybe you should try and find something more fullfilling to tie your self esteem to than a football team.
This year Clemson has scheduled a grand total of ZERO teams ranking in the AP preseason top 20. South Carolina plays three teams ranked in the top 6, and four teams in the top 20. That to me is more intersting than watching Clemson wading through another garbage schedule.
Posted by youmanyo on August 13, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We do have a FEW problems like any school does ,and I am sure your Daddy ( Tommy )will handle it in the right manner. But you cant come up with a list of problems with our players like girlygirl posted of ones like yours .
Posted by youmanyo on August 13, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Spurrier is a great coach but he cant even win at usc and he never will . We get it ,the SEC is a great conference , but its because of real SEC teams not teams like Vandy and usc . The schudule was made years in advance silly chicken , we cant help none are ranked including you guys .The only thing you can brag about is being in the SEC, enjoy.
just because you live in a bad neighborhood(SEC), it doens't
make you a tough guy. it just means you get your arse stomped a lot if you are one of the weaklings.
Posted by Rebel_Yell on August 13, 2008 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Like beating top 5 Ga last year. What top 10 team did the tigs beat?
Posted by Chanticleer on August 13, 2008 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The SEC is better than the ACC and no sane Clemson would disagree.
Carolina has had a tougher schedule for the last 5 or so years and will continue to. No sane Clemson fan would disagree.
Clemson has been, is, and will be better than Carolina. No sane Carolina fan should disagree with that.
National Titles: Clemson
Conference Titles: Clemson
Head to Head: Clemson
Overall Victories: Clemson
All Americans: Clemson
Top 10: Clemson
and just to be nice, Heisman Winners: Carolina
No reason to bring UGA, LSU, Bama, Duke, UNC into a Clemson/USC dicussion.
Posted by JF on August 13, 2008 at 11:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Okay I guess USC should just give up football, since Clemson has perfected it. Tommy Bowden is twice the coach Spurrier is. USC SEC victories over Florida, Georgia, Tennessee were products of my imagination! Quality of competition does not matter! By the way non -conference schedules are not made years in advance.
Posted by youmanyo on August 13, 2008 at 11:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dude youre 6-6 with the greatest coach in the game .
Posted by JF on August 14, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
No #^%^% tell me something I don't know